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Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by BoppreH on Thursday September 21, 2023 @06:27PM (#37605292)
I'm wary of telemetry, but willing to accept it. It's the lack of respect that gets to me. "Yes/Maybe Later"? Showing me a fake Windows update screen once a month to try to get me to use an online account and switch to Edge? Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name? Pre-installing games with advertisement and microtransactions?

It's a commercial operating system, for Christ's sake, stop pushing sleazy features. They are quickly burning through all the trust acquired over decades.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by aidenn0 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @06:35PM (#37605387)
Yeah, Windows 8 was kind of ineffably bad. I know exactly effing why Windows 10 is bad; nothing ineffable about it.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by smrq on Friday September 22, 2023 @03:52AM (#37609173)
The only thing I will credit Win8 for is that it felt really good on a Surface--Win10 was actually a step back on that platform. Which is natural, because 8 was clearly designed for the Surface to the exclusion of everything else, and they rightfully had to walk it back because the choices they made were ridiculous on the majority of Windows machines.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by vanchor3 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @06:46PM (#37605482)
My favorite was when they wanted everyone to switch over from Internet Explorer to Edge (this was before support was dropped), so attempting to search "Internet Explorer" in the start menu caused it to override it with Edge instead.

This of course was quite annoying because we still had many applications at the time that (unfortunately) required Internet Explorer. It was even more annoying because when attempting to get to "Internet Options" or "File Explorer", it automatically replaced those with Edge, which is not at all helpful.

This effort was also completely undone by the fact that if you misspelled Internet Explorer it would still come right up as the first option.

I'm still upset that they've removed most Control Panel results from the start menu search as well, because after all these years the Settings app is still incomplete.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by judge2020 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:00PM (#37606111)
> My favorite was when they wanted everyone to switch over from Internet Explorer to Edge (this was before support was dropped), so attempting to search "Internet Explorer" in the start menu caused it to override it with Edge instead.

Was this before or after they actually removed iexplore.exe?

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by vanchor3 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:50PM (#37606516)
This was at least several months before, maybe more.

I'm not actually sure they even fully removed it. It seems pretty impossible to open, but as one of our users showed me if they open one of our HTA files and clicked a link in it, Internet Explorer happily opens up despite even being blocked with Group Policy.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by HDThoreaun on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:27PM (#37606336)
> Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name

Seriously though wtf is up with this? So actively hostile to user experience

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by Falkon1313 on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:14AM (#37608496)
>Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name? Pre-installing games with advertisement and microtransactions?

I'm always surprised when I see things like this on HN. Also complaints about it auto-rebooting to install updates, requiring an MSN account, etc.

I turn all that stuff off when I first install it, so I see none of those problems. I just kind of assume any tech-savvy person or power-user would also do so.

And we might think the defaults suck. Rightfully, they would for us. But for granny or a gen-Z kid with no computer knowledge? Somebody who isn't going to know to make backups, run scheduled updates, or know the difference between local search and internet search? Those defaults probably make sense.

For me, it works great because I turn that stuff off and I know how to manage a computer. For people who don't, it also probably mostly works great, because they don't have to know how to do that.

Seems like there's just this one odd slice of people caught in the middle who know enough to get irritated by the defaults, but not enough to configure their system the way they want it. If you're in that group, then you're tech-savvy enough to look up how to change the settings to make it work the way you want. I encourage you to do so and make those changes to save yourself some stress and irritation.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by ethanpil on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:45AM (#37608694)
what's handy guide to disable it all?
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by valvar on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:53AM (#37608740)
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by WhrRTheBaboons on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @03:19AM (#37748821)
cheers
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by alwyn on Friday September 22, 2023 @03:58AM (#37609206)
Some things can only be disabled on Windows Enterprise, not on Home or even Pro. For example for some aspects you need Group Policy, which isn't available in Home.

The defaults might make sense from a usability perspective, but are predatory and plainly spy on the user, with the majority of users not even aware of it.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by mbwgh on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:19AM (#37608526)
This resonates with me. Whenever I use a windows machine, it really doesn't feel like I am in control and treated as a adult. Adding to the list, click-baity AI-aggregated sex&crime news delivered to you by default. It offends me.

While your list of changes is impressive, I noticed it took you years. So maybe you're a little like me: I find change hard, a cognitive burden that needs a good-enough reason above a certain pain threshold.

I was lucky enough to have been forced to work with Linux in Uni, and when I first set it up myself (trying out two or three distros because I actually managed to bork the first installation somehow), it was in an environment that embraced discovery and I wasn't on my own. Now at work, it's an uphill battle you don't use Windows. Confidence is a must.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by retSava on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:37AM (#37609507)
I've been getting dialog boxes for default applications a lot lately. Ie, I've associated, say, .png with an image viewer (which is not MS), but lately when opening a .png I'd get the "what application do you want to open with?"-box, with a "Windows suggested"-app as the number two choice. That's disrespecting the choice I've made. Then, this goes for basically all non-MS default apps I've associated with.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by FieryTransition on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:27AM (#37609836)
Best thing I did for privacy was to use things like nextdns and pihole, they block alot of the stuff with minimal effort.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by coldpie on Friday September 22, 2023 @09:21AM (#37611697)
Heh. Man, you are going to love Linux. Stop waiting and drop that Windows shit like a hot potato.