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Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:12PM (#37601614)
You don't need specific plants that act as perfectly reliable base load. If a bunch of auxiliary fossil fuel plants come online for 10 days per year, that's almost as good as never using them.

There's a maintenance cost, of course, but as far as carbon goals it's very doable.

Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by DoneWithAllThat on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:25PM (#37601809)
The economics of that don’t even come within the same universe as working out. Those plants wouldn’t just be losing money, they’d be losing unfathomably huge amounts of money.
Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:41PM (#37602074)
That's a very narrow view. Either don't make the plants independently owned, or pay the plants for keeping the capacity available, or pay them a huge markup for those 10 days. Two and a half good solutions!
Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by forgetfreeman on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:30PM (#37601911)
I mean y'all can downvote all you like but that doesn't change the financials of shuttering a powerplant. How tf you gonna retain the skilled employees required to run the damn thing when they're furloughed 300 days out of the year?
Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:45PM (#37602141)
So don't furlough people...?

Maintenance can be spread over the entire year, and you can use designs that don't need a big workforce just to run.

Peaker plants already exist, this isn't a crazy new realm in the operational sense.

Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by forgetfreeman on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:36PM (#37602993)
I dunno, seems pretty wild to me. If the thing isn't generating electricity you're sitting there with a huge labor bill and nothing to show for it. That this sort of thing might make sense from a purely technical perspective seems reasonable to me but I don't see how you'd fund it.
Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:37PM (#37603963)
If you're worried strictly about profits, and not a strong desire to avoid CO2 emissions, we can imagine a carbon tax. $100 per ton would cost a coal plant 10¢/kWh on top of operating costs. So if a carbon-free source gets even close for operating costs, then that's a lot of money to fund a backup plant and still come out ahead.

And this doesn't really require a tax. We could imagine an electrical company pricing out their aversion to carbon in cents per kWh out of their own volition or because of customer demand.

Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by forgetfreeman on Friday September 22, 2023 @01:19AM (#37608182)
Given we live in a capitalist society that profit motive takes primacy isn't really in question.
Re:Bloomberg Is Throwing $500M at Efforts to Shut Down All U... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:07PM (#37602496)
> economics of that don’t even come within the same universe as working out

Natural gas does this fine. Perfect is the enemy of the good.