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Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by a_c on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:19PM (#37599886)
I wonder if there is an open source community for making cars. And if so, is it legal to drive such a car.

Anyway, at the end of the day, no one cares about privacy. Any company had consequences by screwing up privacy I would love to know.

Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by s_dev on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:26PM (#37600012)
>Anyway, at the end of the day, no one cares about privacy.

Everyone cares about their privacy especially those who claim not to. What they really mean is they don't care for the privacy of others.

Privacy is simply the right to be left alone. To do your own business without intrusion from family, friends, the public or government or anything.

Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by Goronmon on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:38PM (#37600206)
"Cares about privacy" in the sense that they purchase products specifically with that being one of the top concerns?
Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by JohnFen on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:33PM (#37601056)
Most normal people I've talked to about this have a deep sense of defeat. They care a lot, but also don't think that there's anything they can do about it -- so it often doesn't figure into their purchasing decisions.

It's a position I can understand. How can anyone who doesn't do a deep dive like sniffing network traffic actually know that they're not being sold down the river, privacy-wise? They can't.

Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by mindslight on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:47PM (#37602160)
Agreed on how I feel most people perceive this stuff - they care but they are also resigned, whether that's expressed as active disapproval or accepting cognitive dissonance. To me the real crux of the matter is how to turn that caring into any sort of feeling of having choices.

It's not even a terribly hard model - if a device has an Internet connection and is running proprietary software, it's only a matter of time until it spies on you or otherwise betrays your trust. But it sounds way too abstract and technical for the average person to act on it. And even in the case that there are off the shelf libre solutions, they still don't compete against all of the advertising pushing surveillance based solutions.

Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by Silhouette on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:52PM (#37604925)
To me the real crux of the matter is how to turn that caring into any sort of feeling of having choices.

A good start would be actually having a choice. In several markets that are effectively essential products for a lot of people to live a normal life today - including transportation - that choice no longer exists in practice because the whole industry is on board with doing this stuff.

Every time these subjects come up someone says this should make us angry and we should push our political representatives to legislate or regulate in response to these threats. And then someone else reminds us that it's 2023 and most people have slightly higher priorities like being able to afford to keep their homes and feed their kids so even if issues like privacy matter to them a great deal they will rarely swing enough votes to carry any real weight politically. Unfortunately these problems demonstrate a failure of both our commercial and economic systems and our political and democratic ones.

Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by masfuerte on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:50PM (#37600382)
You can build your own car in the UK. If you build from a kit then the kit will typically have type approval and you just pay for your build to be inspected. If you create something unique it needs a more expensive inspection that incorporates type approval. Open source would be like a kit where you make the parts. I think legally this would be treated as a custom build. The full inspection is £450, which seems quite reasonable.
Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by a_c on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:15PM (#37600752)
Thanks for the info. Didn’t know we can do that here in the UK!
Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by cromulent on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:46PM (#37601257)
I think the UK is perhaps the home of such things. I for one would love to build a Caterham one day.
Re:AMA: We're the Researchers who looked into the privacy of... by mmh0000 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:41PM (#37606878)
In the US, in every state that I'm familiar with, you can register/title/legally drive nearly any vehicle. There are some basic "road worthiness" conditions that have to be met, but they're usually simple and straight-forward, like "vehicle must have a rear view mirror". [1][2][3]

[1] https://dmv.utah.gov/vehicles/rebuilt/specially-constructed

[2] https://tax.utah.gov/forms-pubs/pub-09

[3] https://highwaypatrol.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2...