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Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by mrtksn on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:06AM (#37598747)
It's obvious but probably you can't escape responsibility by just writing it on the terms and conditions if you are responsible for something. What if they put "we are not responsible for anything, use your judgement" on every product and sell dangerous products? I mean, IMHO they should be able to do that if they warn you properly(not just in the legal text) but that's just my opinion.

Is Google Maps responsible? I don't know but I can imagine someone claiming it due to the way information is displayed on the UI. Google maps always shows the information from position of authority, they are always very sure about the information they have and you don't have a clue about how certain they are bout what they tell you. I had multiple situations where Google Maps will direct me very confidently to roads that don't exist and once I had to stop and investigate if the road that Google Maps insist on is viable and the other time I had to turn back as the road conditions deteriorated from SUV-needed to T-80 tank needed. Negligent local authorities combined with authoritative assistant who is wrong and can't tell its wrong can be dangerous.

Maybe a UI with more clear communications is needed?

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by aeurielesn on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:26PM (#37600028)
I'm actually at odds at what's Google responsible for exactly. Google isn't paid by the county to provide this service nor Google Maps is a paid service.

My first thought was it's the county's fault.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by bmitc on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:38PM (#37600212)
So what? Google offers the service as instructions for how to get somewhere. Google and these other tech companies hide behind excuses that claim these systems are so complex and scaled that they can't possibly be responsible for when they're wrong. But it is they, as in Google, that built, offer, market, and implicitly claim it all works, not the people. Then they cowardly bury in the terms and conditions that it can't be trusted.

I am all for tech companies being held liable for what they market. Especially here, because at the end of the day, Google doesn't even care about providing you directions They just want your data that they can resell. But that's not how they market Google Maps.

I also think the county should be responsible, but that is in addition.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by shadowgovt on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:45PM (#37600317)
Keep in mind, those protections are pretty standard for software in general.

Most of the open source ecosystem would evaporate immediately if "SOFTWARE PROVIDED AS-IS" wasn't a legally-enforceable culpability abrogation.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by bmitc on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:01PM (#37600547)
It's different when you're a corporation that makes $300 million annually, plasters the service all over ads and commercials, and buries the "as-is" in however many pages of terms and conditions that constantly update, all the while making money off of the "customer".
Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by pixl97 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:23PM (#37600875)
No it is not. Print a map on a piece of paper. You follow it off a cliff. In what world is that the map makers fault?
Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by bmitc on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:44PM (#37605987)
That isn't what happened.
Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by Bjartr on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:47PM (#37604869)
Morally yes, but not legally.
Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by bmitc on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:47PM (#37606012)
I'm not sure. The analogy was downloading any old open source software with the as-is disclaimer vs Google saying their map system gives you live, up to date, directions and maps but then buries in terms and conditions a claim that they're not responsible.

If Google marketed Maps as "for information only", then that would be different.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by shadowgovt on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:55PM (#37606074)
I mean, it's point 3 in the terms of service. The bold text is Actual Conditions; Assumption of Risk.

I don't think we can call that "buried" unless we're operating under the legal theory that nobody is held accountable to terms and conditions at all anymore.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by pixl97 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:22PM (#37600862)
Eh?

If I print a map and sell it showing a bridge. Then later the bridge washes out in a flood, how in any way would the map maker be responsible if you're aware enough not to drive off a cliff. This case has nothing to do with any technology involved.

Counties, in general under law, are excluded from most of these kinds of liabilities in most states. Probably why the family is going after Google, County is a dead end.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by RandallBrown on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:40PM (#37601147)
What if I told you about the bridge collapse and then you reprinted the maps, but left the collapsed bridge on there?

That is what the lawsuit is claiming. I still don't think Google is at any fault in this scenario, but it is a little surprising that the route still shows after several years of the bridge being out (and multiple reports to Google about it.)

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by mrtksn on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:43PM (#37601193)
When it's on paper, it's very clear that the information is not live updated. Also, that piece of paper wouldn't be giving instructions. The level of alertness and the expectations would be calibrated accordingly.

In the case of Google Maps, the thing claims live data and gives you authoritative instructions like "turn left".

People have tendency to follow instructions and trust the computer, so if the computer says something people try their best to do it. Combine that with the illusion of live data, there you have a disaster waiting to happen. After all, the device that knows how much traffic is there at this very moment at particular location must also know if there's a bridge or not, right?

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by mrtksn on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:31PM (#37600091)
There can be multiple parties responsible, the county looks like definitely responsible(or not, if it's not an infra where they are responsible to maintain?) but Google can be too.

Google Maps is not a free product at all, it's a commercial product provided for free as part of an ad business. It's free as the free soda with the hamburger.

Re:Google sued for negligence after man died following map d... by chrischen on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:01PM (#37607001)
More customer support is needed. Article says bridge collapsed 9 years ago and people used the suggest edit feature and Google ignored it. Even if Google is not fully responsible for a person driving off a cliff, they are definitely negligent.