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Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by brainzap on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:57AM (#37594999)
companies are profit first, not trust first
Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by amelius on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:11AM (#37595125)
Yes, we need more regulation. Or a better system to begin with.
Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by friend_and_foe on Thursday September 21, 2023 @06:43AM (#37595777)
Do you think its a coincidence this came right after the ban on incandescent bulbs? Regulation got us here. It won't help when government is captured.
Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by timeon on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:26AM (#37598114)
> Do you think its a coincidence this came right after the ban on incandescent bulbs?

Not really. I do not use incandescent bulbs nor bulbs that require account. You've chosen 216 and you'll find it everywhere in nature.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by ilyt on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:46PM (#37603173)
Yes. This is idiotic theory, Regulation is only about power efficiency
Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by friend_and_foe on Saturday September 23, 2023 @05:44AM (#37621853)
You must be European.
Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by solarkraft on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:10AM (#37595956)
Right: It's not the companies' fault they're engaging in deceptive and unfair business practices; they're profit-maximizing machines. They don't care about trust or know what it is.

It's our fault we're letting them do that. Bad behavior should be affecting profits. Probably through regulation.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by _aavaa_ on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:24AM (#37596039)
It is absolutely their fault and not that of the public at large.

Companies are not sentient “profit-maximizing machines, they’re a collection of people. And it’s people making the decisions.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by solarkraft on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:53AM (#37599506)
But that's not how it effectively works at scale. It only takes a single person not bound by morals to mess it up for everyone. Those people naturally float to the top and are loved by shareholders (hence who's in charge at most places).

Individually the organisation is made up of people, but at large it's a big anonymous machine because those people are rewarded super-duper one-dimensionally: Help profits and you're rewarded or hurt them and you're out.

It makes about as much sense to anthropomorphise corporations as it does to anthropomorphise lawnmowers. They can not feel empathy.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by _aavaa_ on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:33PM (#37602950)
> But that's not how it effectively works at scale. It only takes a single person not bound by morals to mess it up for everyone.

The onus might be on us as the public to change the laws to outlaw bad behaviour, but this does not absolve the companies, and especially the people within them who conduct, condone, or reward deceptive and unfair business practices.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by bananapub on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:51AM (#37596879)
> Right: It's not the companies' fault they're engaging in deceptive and unfair business practices; they're profit-maximizing machines. They don't care about trust or know what it is.

this is an extremely dumb take, of course the people working at companies are responsible for bad dumb decisions that make their products worse.

Re:Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account by solarkraft on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:03PM (#37599659)
The people who actually act responsibly tend to be ousted and replaced by those who instead primarily look after profits. See my other comment.