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Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by avgcorrection on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:14PM (#37587745)
Our Western attitude towards freedom of opinion on display.
Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by glogla on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:56PM (#37588423)
Why do people always assume that freedom of expression only applies to one side?

He is free to hate the West while living in it. He's not going to prison for it (unlike he would in the countries he likes, ironically). He's not getting deported from the West despite claiming to hate the West or anything.

But I am also free to call him out on it. I have the same freedom, no? Why would he have the freedom to insult me (and you, since you said "our western") but not us to insult him back?

He can call me a hypocrite for West not being perfect and not solving all the problems of the world, and I can call him hypocrite for hating the West and its values yet still living in here for want of luxury. Is it a useful conversation? Not really, honestly, but it is fair.

But more importantly, look up paradox of tolerance and philosophy following from it. You can tolerate a lot, but tolerating too much is suicidal, because the intolerant will eventually take over. This is a general principle - welcoming people in the West is fine, for example, welcoming people who hate the West and want to destroy it is not.

Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by avgcorrection on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @03:07PM (#37588612)
Complete non-sequitur since I said nothing about restricting anyone's freedom to say anything. I was critiquing your attitude. Attitude.
Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by glogla on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @05:23PM (#37590379)
I'm not convinced I owe nice attitude to someone who hates me and wants to destroy me and my way of life.
Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by avgcorrection on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @05:37PM (#37590564)
I mean go nuts with that for all I care. But the refrain “then just leave” is the most unoriginal and vapid comeback. If someone has a bad opinion or argument then it shouldn't be hard to come up with something better.

Absolutely anyone under any regime—British or Iranian—can say “then leave if you don't like it”.

Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by fakedang on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:57PM (#37592731)
This is just pulling a strawman argument. I'm criticizing the West for precisely destroying the way of life that you have had, in favour of some misguided sense of tolerance intermixed with arrogance. I don't need to destroy you or your way of life, because a.) I don't think about you at all and b.) you and your government are already destroying your way of life.
Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by unethical_ban on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @05:30PM (#37590479)
One can respect the freedom for someone to have an opinion and simultaneously criticize that opinion and its hypocrisy.
Re:British journalist held by police at Luton airport for fi... by fakedang on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:00PM (#37592029)
Well he didn't criticize my points or barely even read it, since my monologue was on hypocritical Western European attitudes (after all, I implored GP to "talk to his fellow countrymen in the rural parts, outside the city shells".

Instead, his retort was to tell me to pack my bags and eff off.