Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by figmert on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:20AM
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> OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz.
I don't know. It feels like this support comes from the vocal minority and competitors.
I'll believe such a statement when more big multinational companies show support. Right now, I don't believe there is as much support as is currently made out.
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by tristan957 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @12:26PM
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There are around 19 full-time engineers staffed for the project from various companies. That is a lot more engineers than HashiCorp themselves had developing Terraform at the time of the license change.
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by figmert on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @12:35PM
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> There are around 19 full-time engineers staffed for the project from various companies
Various companies being all HashiCorp competitors: https://opentofu.org/supporters
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by fishnchips on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @01:10PM
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Does it make them lesser engineers?
No, and I never suggested they are, what point are you trying to make?
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by fishnchips on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:36AM
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Question to you, I guess. How is the sponsor relevant for the ability of an engineer to ship?
I didn't question the ability of engineers to ship.
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by fishnchips on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:56PM
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Whatever point you were making, it would benefit from being made explicitly.
I do wish, for their own good, OpenTF/Tofu would stop making this comparison. What insight do they have about HashiCorp’s resourcing beyond some git commit history? Surely these folks know there are many more folks involved in providing a product with the scope of TF than just those committing code. While I do find myself nodding along to many of the OpenTF points, whenever I hear this one on podcasts and such it comes off as very naive.
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by fishnchips on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:34AM
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Indeed we do have that insight. We actually spoke with many people intimately involved in the process.
> Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture
That is a serious accusation. What backup do you have for this statement?
Re:OpenTF renames itself to OpenTofu
by cloudbrewer on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:51AM
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There are numerous public and private sources to gather information. One of the public sources is to read Glassdoor reviews.
The pricing "strategy," the culture of secrecy, subpar commercial and marketing practices, and the company's inability to formulate a successful cloud and monetization strategy are all squarely the responsibility of HashiCorp's CEO. Merely changing the licensing approach will not resolve the current issues. There is an urgent need for a change in leadership, a more robust embrace of the community, and the addressing of the issue of lazy employees. HashiCorp should also return to its core principles, possibly trimming down its focus areas (Integrity, Kindness, Pragmatism, Humility, Vision, Execution, Communication, etc.).
Terraform had the greatest potential for monetization within HashiCorp, but this required innovation and effort. They possessed all the necessary tools, brand recognition, and community support, but instead chose to impede competition, failing to realize that they were harming themselves in the process.
OpenTofu has the potential to genuinely enhance Terraform, as changes will be viewed not as aiding competitors but as a shared initiative aimed at improving the entire community and sharing the benefits.