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Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by anon291 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:46AM (#37584037)
I'm sorry... Suing a company because their drink does not give you wings is just... Stupid
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:51AM (#37584108)
From the linked article on that suit

>Red Bull says in its marketing that the drink can improve concentration and reaction speeds, but the plaintiff in the case said these claims were false and lacked scientific support. While the suit did not allege that plaintiffs were disappointed that they didn't suddenly sprout wings, it does say that Red Bull relies a lot on terms like "wings" and "boost" to give consumers the impression that the drink gives people some sort of physical lift or enhancement.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by donatj on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:56AM (#37584177)
Isn’t caffeine, which Red Bull contains in spades, scientifically shown to do all those things?
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by Filligree on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:36AM (#37584707)
Yes, quite. It's possible that the other ingredients counteract this -- sugar makes me quite sleepy, for one -- but the story sounds a bit odd.
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by Projectiboga on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:05AM (#37584290)
Caffeine's "stimulation" is somewhat of an illusion, it only makes you feel stimulated if you're dependent and it only gets you to where you'd be if you didn't use at all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2012/08/21/caff... Another important issue is that it will only stave off sleep with sugar.
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by hinkley on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:17AM (#37584432)
Only for neurotypical people. For other populations the effect is real, I don’t know about clinical diagnostic tests but layman identifications commonly use “self-medicating with stimulants” as a red flag for suggesting someone seek a professional opinion.

So “can improve concentration”? Yes. Clinically proven. “Can improve [anyone’s] concentration”? Well you’re right that’s not true. But that’s relatively recent settled science, in part because there are plenty of anecdotes going back to Coca Cola being the “Thinking man’s drink” with coca leaves in it. Cocaine makes some people more focused. As does amphetamine, and methylphenidate.

But we’ve fucked the words “can” and “may” in legal terms. There is no accident that RFCs use MUST and WILL for mandatory behaviors, or that they’re in all caps.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by thomastjeffery on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:19AM (#37584465)
That is assuming you would have a healthy baseline. Many people, for example those with undiagnosed/untreated ADHD, do not.

Drugs are complicated.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by Filligree on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:37AM (#37584730)
Just for the record, terming ADHD 'unhealthy' is a bit dubious.

It's maladaptive in modern society, for sure, but that's a combination of the trait and modern society. Not necessarily a reflection on the trait in itself.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by thomastjeffery on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @01:38PM (#37587175)
ADHD is a disorder. Living with untreated ADHD doesn't just make society hard. It makes doing what I want to do hard, too.

Even in the perfect utopia, I would need medication to be healthy and enjoy life.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by probably_wrong on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:15AM (#37584410)
It took me forever to find the original complaint, but eventually I found it here [1]. From the original:

> [Red Bull] have made various representations to consumers about the purported superior nature of Red Bull over simpler and less expensive caffeine only products, such as caffeine tablets or a cup of coffee. (...) However, no competent, credible, and reliable scientific evidence exists to support [Red Bull]'s Claims about the product.

Of course the whole purpose of settling is to never bring this issue in front of a court, but the fact that they settled and retired the slogan should, IMO, lend some credibility to this point.

[1] https://truthinadvertising.org/class-action/red-bull/

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by chankstein38 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:09AM (#37584336)
As far as I understand, no amount of caffeine can make you sprout wings. /s

Sorry haha you're right though the lawsuit seems frivolous

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by soco on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:12AM (#37584380)
Please let me reiterate the call to actually read the article (and the lawsuit topic) before commenting. I know reading more than the title and some HN comments might be often unpopular - I'm guilty of it as well - but it helps a lot understanding.
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by chankstein38 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:23AM (#37584530)
?? It was a joke about the parent comment being unspecific about what benefits caffeine gives you. Can I reiterate a call to read the comment before replying to it?
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by bell-cot on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:54AM (#37584146)
True...

But it looks like that version of the lawsuit story is itself a highly-misleading claim:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/red-bulls-wings/

https://www.businessinsider.com/red-bull-settles-false-adver...

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by II2II on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:54AM (#37584151)
Yes, that one sounds frivolous since it is unreasonable for the consumer to expect such an outcome (at least in a literal sense).

On the other hand, placing a common fruit in a product's name without making it equally clear that it is flavoring is misleading. At least in a food services type environment. While people can check the list of ingredients on the packaging in a grocery store, they would have to jump through hoops to get similar information when ordering food in a restaurant.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by acheron on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:56AM (#37584171)
This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my lawsuit against the film The Neverending Story.
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by detritus on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:21AM (#37584502)
oh my gosh, i thought you were joking!
Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by imchillyb on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:55AM (#37584166)
> In 2014, Red Bull announced it would pay more than $13 million to settle a lawsuit brought by buyers who said the energy drink didn't — as the marketing materials promised — "give you wings."

Rather than face federal judicial action, redbull paid out $13 million to settle.

If it’s stupid and it works, it’s not stupid.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by mdekkers on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:52AM (#37584115)
> Suing a company because their drink does not give you wings is just... Stupid

Redbull has to pay 13 million dollars, so possibly not stupid.

Anyway, TFA is about “Mango Dragonfruit Starbucks Refreshers are missing mango, Strawberry Açaí Starbucks Refreshers lack açaí and Pineapple Passionfruit Starbucks Refreshers have no passion fruit.”

So not entirely without merit, also according to a judge.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by imchillyb on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:51AM (#37584106)
> Mango Dragonfruit Starbucks Refreshers are missing mango, Strawberry Açaí Starbucks Refreshers lack açaí and Pineapple Passionfruit Starbucks Refreshers have no passion fruit.

That's what two consumers who have sued Starbucks for consumer protection law violations say about the coffee giant's fruit-based drinks.

Where is the wing quote?

This suit is about false advertisement. Those sentences are the first two of the article.

Way to show you didn’t read the article bro.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by rsynnott on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:55AM (#37584159)
I assume they read this overly literally:

> In 2014, Red Bull announced it would pay more than $13 million to settle a lawsuit brought by buyers who said the energy drink didn't — as the marketing materials promised — "give you wings."

If you go to the source, obviously, the concern was not that it did not literally cause you to grow wings.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by lolinder on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:52AM (#37584125)
> Where is the wing quote? ... Way to show you didn’t read the article bro.

Pot, meet kettle:

> In 2014, Red Bull announced it would pay more than $13 million to settle a lawsuit brought by buyers who said the energy drink didn't — as the marketing materials promised — "give you wings."

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by jasonlotito on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:55AM (#37584157)
The "give you wings" wasn't literal, which is what the GP was complaining about.

FTA linked in the article:

"Red Bull does not, it turns out, give you wings — even in the figurative sense. Red Bull says in its marketing that the drink can improve concentration and reaction speeds, but the plaintiff in the case said these claims were false and lacked scientific support. While the suit did not allege that plaintiffs were disappointed that they didn't suddenly sprout wings, it does say that Red Bull relies a lot on terms like "wings" and "boost" to give consumers the impression that the drink gives people some sort of physical lift or enhancement."

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by lolinder on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:59AM (#37584230)
I realize that, but "way to show you didn't read the article bro" is condescending and dumb even if they were correct, doubly so when the article clearly says it.

I agree that in the context of the linked article OP is wrong, and several other people already pointed out the quote you included. I'm responding to the quick and vapid dismissal that shows that imchillyb couldn't be bothered to do a search for "wings" before making fun of OP.

Re:Fed-up consumers are going after food companies for misle... by pumpkindaughter on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:53AM (#37584137)
Eek, you should go back and read the article...