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Re:George Orwell Complete Works by rando14775 on Monday September 18, 2023 @11:55PM (#37565440)
His art is about oppression and surveillance, and yet he wants British intelligence to surveil and oppress socialists. How is this not relevant?
Re:George Orwell Complete Works by fooker on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:38AM (#37565653)
It would be relevant if we were voting for/against him.

It's not that relevant for appreciating his work.

Re:George Orwell Complete Works by gizajob on Monday September 18, 2023 @11:56PM (#37565453)
Depends if those socialists are attempting to set up some kind of revolution that results in Ingsoc
Re:George Orwell Complete Works by selcuka on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:46AM (#37565690)
Yeah, nah:

> The list includes dozens of suspected communists, “crypto-communists,” socialists, “fellow travelers,” and even LGBT people and Jews

The point is both Animal Farm and 1984 are about Stalin's Russia, not about a Western country, and the attempted proletarian revolution in 1984 is against communism.

Re:George Orwell Complete Works by gizajob on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:22AM (#37565883)
On your reading maybe. If Orwell wanted to set 1984 in Stalin’s Russia then he would have done
Re:George Orwell Complete Works by selcuka on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:36AM (#37565947)
It never occurred to me that it could be read another way, but apparently people have different interpretations [1]. Asimov's review [2] seems to support my interpretation, too:

> It was most popular at first with people who leaned towards the conservative side of the political spectrum, for it was clearly an anti-Soviet polemic, and the picture of life it projected in the London of 1984 was very much as conservatives imagined life in the Moscow of 1949 to be.

[1] https://fee.org/articles/orwell-s-1984-how-to-misread-a-clas...

[2] http://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm

Re:George Orwell Complete Works by gizajob on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:56PM (#37573665)
I read it, totally unprompted by school, when I was a teenager and was pretty stunned by it. I didn’t see it as a tome about Stalinism at all because I didn’t know about Stalinism then, but instead read it as something much more profoundly universal. Even profoundly British too, I think it could have been written without any influence from Stalinism even though in later years I see the obvious parallels and influences of that particular issue. The fact remains that I think there’s something much more profound about humanity in the collective than warrants a strictly Stalinist or communist reading. What it says about the structure of human societies is fairly common and universal - doesn’t take a spin on a Marxist reading to think it’s just repeating that class analysis.
Re:George Orwell Complete Works by _Algernon_ on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:22AM (#37565878)
It doesn't change the message of his work, does it?