That's true I'm cherry-picking but you kind of have to when people are making impossible claims. Most of them won't come true (at least, yet) but as long as some of them come true I think that's a net positive.

I agree with you. Musk is a complicated person (smell...?).

I kinda put him in the same box as Steve Jobs. They are very crappy in some ways, but you cannot argue with what they have achieved.

Would we have a 'space race' like we have now, if it wasn't for Musk? Even Bezos cannot keep up.

How long would the EV 'evolution' have taken if Musk didn't make it a priority?

There are loads of faults here, and I am not blind to them. However, I think its short-sighted to paint his goals as "lies".

That's still lying, even if you think it is net positive.

True.

1. You don't have to believe him. 2. We still get some impossible results in the end which leads to a more interesting future.

And you don't have to care that he's a liar. I care about truth, though.

Fair enough, we could probably both agree that physical results are the best outcome or promises that may/may not be true?

If we have self-landing rockets you could argue all day about truth and integrity but we'll still have self-landing rockets.

> when people are making impossible claims

Making impossible claims in investor calls, in corporate communications, to be clear, to the point where the company has later had to asterisk said claims as "visionary, not targets".

> But for every one of those there's a cyber truck, a "self driving mode," etc.

Cybertruck is entering mass production soon. Yes, it's late, but it's coming.

Same for self driving. It is clearly getting better all the time, and it's coming.

Again, he is often late delivering on very difficult and ambitious things. Have a look how the competition are doing with re-usable rockets, mass producing electric vehicles, self driving, etc.

None of these things are easy, and they take time.