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Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by alwa on Monday September 18, 2023 @02:30AM (#37552931)
They fired the glaze powder onto the sample tiles, as one would do with one’s ceramic vessels - then pulverized the resulting glazed tile back into a colored powder before mixing it with the tea, to improve its reactivity?

I appreciate that the point of this work must be to identify which degradation products to be on the look out for in the first place, not to suggest the rate at which they might form under actual use. Still, in the real-life applications the authors are worried about, surely the fused glaze is doing some degree of work to physically bind its constituents in place.

Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by badcppdev on Monday September 18, 2023 @03:59AM (#37553504)
Maybe the key takeaway for real life is to not stir your tea so vigorously that you scratch chunks off your mug. Never assume that other people do or do not do something that you might find odd.
Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by contravariant on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:38AM (#37553714)
It may also help to let the tea sit for less than 6h at 80°C.
Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by TheSpiceIsLife on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:32AM (#37553695)
No one is scratching fused silica and alumina off their mug with a stainless steel spoon.

You can certainly chip it off, but that's a different mechanism of action.

Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by badcppdev on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:00AM (#37553857)
I think you are totally correct but now I'm stuck trying to find if anyone really knows about the formation of scratch marks inside a mug. Is it really the metal from the spoon depositing on the mug?
Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by etrautmann on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:39AM (#37554091)
this seems plausible, as there are often darker marks left on white ceramics from spoons.
Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by lm28469 on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:45AM (#37554118)
> Is it really the metal from the spoon depositing on the mug?

Probably, it's additive for sure, you can remove them quite easily: https://www.reddit.com/r/CleaningTips/comments/11z7get/thoug...

Set glazing basically is glass, you wan't scratch that very easily

Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by ce4 on Monday September 18, 2023 @11:08AM (#37557178)
Here's the safety data sheet of the product:

https://www.barkeepersfriend.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/...

Here are the ingredients:

Feldspar

Sodium dodecyl benzene sulfonate

Oxalic acid

Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by wil421 on Monday September 18, 2023 @06:48AM (#37554523)
Long ago I worked in a restaurant. One day the manager ordered new silverware and we were told to inspect and throw the others away. I was stuck by how much different the forks and spoons were. The forks were shorter by a noticeable length and bent in a different direction. The spoons had obvious wear marks on the bottom and the shape was thin and deformed.
Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by ce4 on Monday September 18, 2023 @07:38AM (#37554864)
Yes, it is scratched off metal (you see it also on bathroom tiles if you use a bathroom wiper with aluminum frame for cleaning the shower tiles) or from using cast aluminum pans with machined bottom on glass ceramic cooktops (you get little aluminum deposits on the glass).

It is reversible and you can "wipe" it off using acid and abrasives but it's tedious as the metal adheres really good to the ceramic.

Re:Glazes induced degradation of tea catechins by _a_a_a_ on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:20AM (#37553979)
True, true. I throw away the tea and eat the mug.