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Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by SamoyedFurFluff on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:14AM (#37545895)
Is this alleged by a cop? Cops can lie under oath without consequences, unlike a regular civilian.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by chroma on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:19AM (#37545967)
Here’s the summary of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s findings: https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-04-14/gbi-invest...

The protestor had a gun on him. The model and serial number matched that of a gun he purchased in 2020. The round recovered from the state trooper’s abdomen matched that gun.

Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by woodruffw on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:32AM (#37546123)
> The round recovered from the state trooper’s abdomen matched that gun.

Firearms forensics is, like most criminal forensics, junk science[1]: even when the basic scientific reality is aligned any particular technique, it's heavily laundered through interpretation and not subject to rigorous statistical analysis.

(In particular, bullet analysis is complete nonsense. Prior to 2005 the standard technique was lead-composition analysis, which (1) assumed that all of the suspect's bullets were the same, and (2) assumed that similarly-manufactured bullets would have similar compositions. Neither is true, which is why the Federal government no longer uses it as evidence. It's unclear whether the same is true for Georgia and the GBI.)

Edit: A more specific reference for ballistic analysis[2], which appears to be what the GBI used here.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_firearm_examination#C...

[2]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589871X2...

Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by SamoyedFurFluff on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:25AM (#37546037)
Okay? Georgia bureau of investigation isn’t exactly a neutral third party unfortunately, also, again, they can lie and omit without consequences. I’m pointing out that due to the existing corruption baked into the justice system and police force, it’s extremely difficult to buy anything said no matter how many fancy labels is put into it.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by chroma on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:33AM (#37546128)
So what do you think happened? Did the Atlanta police place the gun at the scene and hope that the GBI would lie about the forensics results? Did they lie about the purchase records too? Did they shoot one of their to justify murder? If they wanted to kill an activist, they could just say he was pointing a gun at them. No need to almost kill a state trooper to cover it up.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by SamoyedFurFluff on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:35AM (#37546154)
I never posited any alternatives, except to say that you cannot trust the testimony of obviously corrupt institutions. There are literally infinite amount of untruths they could’ve lied about and an infinite number of nuances left out in testimony. You cannot rely on anything except that someone is dead.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by midasuni on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:46AM (#37546316)
And someone else was shot. I don’t think that fact is in dispute?
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by SamoyedFurFluff on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:25PM (#37546755)
You’re missing my point, which is that you cannot rely on the testimony of corrupt individuals who can lie under oath, in the court of law, without consequence. This means you only have a few facts, and any other presented facts by corrupt institutions are suspect by default.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by rayiner on Sunday September 17, 2023 @02:07PM (#37547790)
> This means you only have a few facts, and any other presented facts by corrupt institutions are suspect by default.

And this, in a nutshell, is why half the GOP believes Trump when he says the 2020 election was stolen. At the end of the day, people form their opinions based on who they trust.

Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by jstarfish on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:35PM (#37546890)
One way this all makes sense is if someone else borrowed his gun and shot the trooper.

The cops traced it back to Teran and went into the protest encounter expecting to be dealing with a cop killer.

Kid had no idea what was coming; APD are thugs an environment that self-selects for them. They took no chances and wasted him.

Covering up a summary execution is way easier than conspiracy to commit it.

Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by NovemberWhiskey on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:57PM (#37547107)
The trooper was shot immediately prior to the return fire which killed the protester. This timeline is not coherent with the facts.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by jstarfish on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:07PM (#37547231)
My bad. I hadn't read up on this since it first happened.

The family claims friendly fire. I'd believe it. Accidental discharge would explain why no GSR was found on his hands.

Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by NovemberWhiskey on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:10PM (#37547262)
GSR was found on his hands.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by jstarfish on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:12PM (#37547280)
Some. From the accounts I'm now looking at, the state is being dodgy with their wording of it. Being shot 57 times will dust everything with GSR.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by fuzzbazz on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:46AM (#37546307)
From other answers in this thread you'd think that the police just shot and killed an innocent protester... how can anyone think that if there's an injured trooper?
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by Fluorescence on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:11PM (#37546585)
Idiot cops opening fire on mass and hitting another cop in the crossfire as has happened many times before.
Re:Close to 2k Environmental Activists Killed over Last Decade by lostmsu on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:57PM (#37547108)
Statistically implausible.