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Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by RoyalHenOil on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:03PM (#37539685)
I use Adobe Photoshop professionally, mostly to tweak technical images for educational purposes (e.g., removing extraneous visual data, like wires that partially obscure a component that the viewer needs to see).

In its current state, at least, Photoshop's generative AI requires a lot of iterations to tweak the image into what I need (due to them requiring technical accuracy). Charging credits for this would make it nonviable.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by PaulHoule on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:21PM (#37539837)
I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work. For instance after I made a print I couldn’t unsee this white splotch so I had selected it and used generative fill without a prompt to make it go away

https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045

when I put the corrected one on the wall together with a lot of prints it was not properly centered vertically (had to center the painting + shadow not just the painting) so I had generative fill draw another row of bricks at the bottom. I’m sure they don’t look exactly like the the corresponding bricks on the real wall but they are good enough for wall art

It adds up to another reason to keep my Creative Cloud subscription instead of looking for an alternative.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by jclarkcom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:46PM (#37539979)
One thing that is t clear to most is that generative fill does not consider the contents of the area you are filling so asking it to remove something doesnt do anything - you’d have the same results by leaving the prompt blank
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by PaulHoule on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:37PM (#37540328)
yep, I usually leave the prompt blank and get the result I want, I only write a prompt if I don't like what I get without the prompt.

The thing is if you want to have it add a spaceship or a pretty girl or something like that to the photo it has to make more background to go with whatever you tell it it draw so it automatically draws something consistent with the scene without a prompt.

There is a whole research area about tools that do "editing" so you could tell it to do something specific to an image, say "increase the exposure by 0.2 stops" (not that you need a.i. for that but somebody might rather do that than find the function in the UI) or "add a fourth motorcycle to the three motorcycles that are parked in a row" and that's even being done for 3-d models with NeRFs and point clouds and such but that's not what generative fill does right now.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by gedy on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:59PM (#37540737)
> I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work

I mostly get nice fill results as well, but they are super aggressive about removing "unsafe results", even when I don't give it a prompt? I'm not filling in nudity or anything, so it's not something I'd pay extra for in this state, I don't need an AI nanny.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by ThinkBeat on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:22PM (#37539840)
I think users should be able to choose to "run locally" or "run in Adobe Cloud", with the understanding that running them locally could be slow
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by AuryGlenz on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#37540349)
It wouldn’t just be slow, I’m guessing it wouldn’t run on everything but maybe GPUs with 24GB of VRAM. The newest version of Stable Diffusion is the same resolution and the only way they got it to work on 12GB cards was the split the model in two.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by thenickdude on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:24PM (#37540545)
SDXL runs fine on my 6GB card, and I hear people manage it on 4GB too.

Mine's only a 1060 though, so it does take minutes for a generation, whereas the newer cards can do it an order of magnitude faster.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by AuryGlenz on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:47PM (#37540682)
I'm sorry, I believe they said they split it for 8 GB cards. The point still remains that it's way faster than local generation.

Of course, I wouldn't mind it not using credits if I could use it locally either. Hopefully they continue to improve SD's IP Adapter type stuff so it's as good as Photoshop in that regard.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by Sulf1re on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:48PM (#37540002)
33 credits a day will be nothing, and at 5usd for 100, that's going to be $10 or more an hour for anyone doing any kind of regular workflow. How munch would it cost you?
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by gmerc on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:52AM (#37544529)
Kinda like making google SERP infinite scroll. It creates enshittification incentives they won’t be able to resist when growth stops.