Re:Why can't America teach writing?
by Mountain_Skies on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:54PM
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Rigid grading structures protect teachers from accusations of bias. Most subjective grading metrics have been eliminated from schools in the name of ensuring perfect equality.
It also protects the teacher from grade grubbing. Every teacher deals with students (and parents) constantly wheedling for higher grades.
Re:Why can't America teach writing?
by talkingtab on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:03AM
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Yes. And if we can't grade great writers because it is subjective and we don't understand what makes a great writer, then we also can't grade good writers for the same reason. Or grade writing at all. We can say we like it, but that is subjective. Completely.
Now just for laughs, what grade does "Twas brillig and the slithy toves" deserve? Obviously an "F" because ole Lewis Carroll just could not spell.
Educational institution can and should teach punctuation. And spelling. But teaching writing? They get an "F" for that. And thinking? OMG don't even get me started!! :-)
Re:Why can't America teach writing?
by aspenmayer on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:01PM
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The writing thing your older daughter did sounds vaguely like NaNoWriMo.
It is not a failure of education system to ask the student to do the actual assignment. The whole "the kid was asked to do the original assignment therefore teacher thinks their thinking is not worthwhile" extrapolation is really weird.
Re:Why can't America teach writing?
by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:45AM
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Easily the right explanation
With my younger daughter I saw it clearly however. She wrote a very good, interesting creative story. The teacher told her to write it over. Because she had not done the assignment - which was to write something that had two paragraphs. This teacher had not the slightest sense of what she had written, what was good about it or how to help her make it better. He was not a teacher - do we even have a name for people who stifle creativity.
This was not a poor or under-performing school. This was by all measurements a "good" school. Just not a "good" school for kids.
Our educational system is a failure. It is not because of the teachers. It is because schools have embraced the stupidity that the only way to learn is to follow what other people do. And to follow them blindly.
At some of the best and highest priced colleges, students are treated as though they are next generation leaders, the soon to be best and brightest, that their thoughts are worth while.
My daughters learned that their writing was not worthwhile, by someone who learned at school to treat students like the student's own thinking, thoughts and expressions were not worthless but worth nothing.
This particular emperor, our educational system, has no clothes.