Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:46AM
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Parallax effect? Echos? Misinterpreted sensor readings... endless list of possibilities and combinations. Have a lot of sensors, see a lot of odd things - nothing new.
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Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by monocasa on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:48AM
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It was seen visually, with IR, and via RADAR, each from multiple observers.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:52AM
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So what? Something caused that observation, but it wasn't something extraterrestrial. You also have to allow for one of the sensors to be wrong/noisy etc. and then being interpreted through the lens of observation via another.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by qaq on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:00PM
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None claiming it is extraterrestrial but there is no evidence to the contrary either. You have too many diverse independent sensors that lined up.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:11PM
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Doesn't work that way: there is always an infinite list of possibilities without evidence to the contrary if you allow for a wide enough "solution space" (even if you have already an explanation).
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by monocasa on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:29PM
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What you're saying is unfalsifiable.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:57PM
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Isn't it highly falsible? Show that sometimes there is only a finite set of possibilities no matter the solution space.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by monocasa on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:45PM
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No, that's not really how that works.
You appear to be claiming that there's an infinite amount of explanations and we can't really know, while also claiming that more data points don't create greater certainty of correlation.
That's contrary to the basis of how science works.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:03AM
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I did not claim the part about more data or that we cannot really know, but rather that if you have to consider any and all explanation in an analysis you have a problem - it's a line of thinking that doesn't help and leaves the realm of science.
For example, is having a simple mechanical explanation for something really evidence against some Devine intervention that is just done so that everything looks "normal"?
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by qaq on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:24PM
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It's a bit of a straw man we know for a fact that advanced lifeforms can develop in the universe because we are one.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:38PM
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Not really. How do those lifeforms travel to earth? Needing new physics would be right back to allowing pretty much anything.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by qaq on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:10PM
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Why do they have to travel to earth ? A robotic probe can travel X thousand years with no need for new physics. Also there are life forms on earth that basically live forever. Also pretending that a theory that we invented a 100 years ago that is not even fully consistent is some hard limitation on some advanced civ is pretty crazy. Is it more believable that some entity on earth has discovered new physics and kept it secret vs some advanced extraterrestrial civ is more developed than we are ?
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Monday September 18, 2023 @01:34AM
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Kind of back to my point: You can, of course, invent any weird hypothetical, but there is no justification to consider it in any hypothesis absent any need for it.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by qaq on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:04PM
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There are not many possible explanations this is either earth tech e.g. someone discovered new physics and kept it very secret and has this tech (but for some reason decided to flash it) or it's not earth tech.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:41PM
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Or it isn't any tech but I mix of sensor glitches, misperceptions etc. - no need to go for far out explanations.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by qaq on Monday September 18, 2023 @07:00PM
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Yep multiple pilots, IR targeting system, regular video camera and multiple radars all glitched for multiple minutes in a consistent manner is very high probability event
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
by RandomLensman on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @06:57AM
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Vastly higher probability than new physics, extraterrestrials, or unknown advanced civilizations on earth. (Setting aside that not everything needs to glitch, but things could combine with misinterpretations etc.)