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Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:18AM (#37534970)
The best way to spot a conspiracy theory (in the pejorative sense) is that a lack of evidence and evidence against the theory are treated as affirmative.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:32AM (#37535099)
We have gotten to the point where they admit the presence of UAPs, now they need to release data of those sightings so that third parties can analyze it and the academic peer review process can begin.

Anything else is speculation, one way or another, and that won't lead to a broad consensus.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:49AM (#37535261)
Nothing except "yep it's definitely aliens" will lead to "broad consensus" because no analysis will be considered evidence against aliens by the people who already believe it's aliens.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by hutzlibu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:56AM (#37535318)
I think flat earthers and alike are always excempt, when someone speaks of a broad consensus.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:58AM (#37535341)
There is nothing to lose by declassifying and releasing the "high definition videos" that NASA's head and AARO's director talk about. Are you opposed to that? If you are, can you elaborate?
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:16AM (#37535525)
I'm not opposed, broadly speaking I don't really support the idea of classified or secret information at all (in like a government context, I'm not going to tell you my birthday and social#)

It just won't do anything. And it's really obvious that it won't do anything.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by crustaceansoup on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:04PM (#37535978)
They're usually classified because they reveal information on sensor capabilities, NASA's director talked about that at the press conference.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:44PM (#37536370)
And yet they are able to declassify some of them. Why only declassify three blurry dots in 2017 and one blurry sphere in 2022 when according to AARO they have about a thousand reports, including fifty sightings showing "anomalous" characteristics? The rather mundane-looking blurry stuff released in 2017 was captured using military equipment and it didn't stop them.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by crustaceansoup on Saturday September 16, 2023 @01:37PM (#37536842)
Didn't GOFAST/GIMBAL and the Nimitz tic-tac video leak? That could have given them convenient choices to look like they were cooperating.

Could they be covering something up? I can't say it's impossible.

I'm just saying that between the tendency towards overclassification, the UFO stigma, and seemingly legimitate counterintel concerns, it doesn't seem like this refusal is evidence of a cover-up in and of itself.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:06AM (#37543730)
I agree 100%
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by mcpackieh on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:08PM (#37536017)
> We have gotten to the point where they admit to the presence of UAPs

They have always "admitted to the existence of" things they can't identify in some videos, blurry photographs, radar tracks, etc. UAP doesn't mean aliens, it just means "I can't tell what this is." Most of these UAPs turn out to be shit like commercial airliners far away on the horizon, and they remain "unidentified" because nobody cares enough to actually figure out what they are.

And you take this to be suggestive of aliens? Please!

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by pmarreck on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:22AM (#37534999)
Right. For something so ho-hum, there's too many signs of suspicion-inducing secrecy showing, such as the fact that they didn't announce the guy's name who was going to lead it, then probably realized that that would just further any conspiracy theories around it (justifiably), then they DID announce his name... When I learned this yesterday I said aloud "FFS" because it's such a dumb human foible.

If this was in fact a coverup, the only reason it's worked so long (despite humans being unable to keep secrets) is due to two things:

1) the implausibility of the premise

2) the ridicule of the claimants

3) the compartmentalization of the information, and possibly

4) the threat of unknown agents

The thing is, the truth eventually always comes out. How do you think this is going to look, once it does?

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:38AM (#37535158)
Paraphrasing here, perhaps the best way to maintain a conspiracy, in the non-pejorative sense, may be to classify the evidence and run a systematic campaign of ridicule and misinformation so that whenever a whistleblower comes out they can be rapidly labeled as a look regardless of their bona fides.

I'm on the fence on this subject, finding both some merits and demerits to the arguments of both detractors and supporters of the NHI hypothesis. Until we have publicly available concrete data to analyze, all we are doing is speculating and slinging mud at each other.

The difference being that the proponents of the NHI hypothesis are all for obtaining and releasing such data, while the critics appear to be very comfortable with the status quo of secrecy.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by refulgentis on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:34AM (#37535129)
You said "right" at the beginning then got reproachful at the end.

In between there's a lot of material and references that won't be obvious to other people.

So I'm confused.

But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth.*

* my understanding of why people get drawn into these nothing-burgers is you see new info, you think somethings around the corner where all those skeptics are proven wrong. years pass, and people either acknowledge it was a nothing burger or escalate claims to explain away why there's all these aliens bouncing around, everyone would want to hear that, Congress is demanding anyone who claims such be given a wide bearth and credence and yet....still nothing.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by david-gpu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:41AM (#37535202)
> But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth

If you can't resist ridiculing people who are trying to maintain a respectful friendly conversation with you online, you are reinforcing their conviction that stigma and ridicule are preventing the subject from being studied earnestly.

Are you in the habit of sneering at people in other subjects as well?

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by refulgentis on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:27PM (#37536211)
I took the end of your comment as in good humor and not a sneer. Then, as always in communication, I tried to meet you where you were, seemingly in good humor on the subject and self-aware. If I knew it'd hurt you I wouldn't have said it. My deepest apologies. You didn't deserve that, at all.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by forgofuture on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:58AM (#37535925)
NASA and Pentagon employees have been harassed and threatened by fanatical UFO people.

Some of these individuals are connected to Lue Elizondo. Elizondo and the elders of the UFO Core Story team create “secret” groups and have been trying for 40-years to get their own UFO program. They intimidate anyone who challenges their narrative.

They first described it as the Secret Onion around 1988 in Jacques Vallee’s diaries. These are intelligence affiliated people and former “psychic spies” who are pawns of counterintelligence and victims of their own delusions and greed.

You can read below how Elizondo claimed to be a 33rd degree Freemason. They have groups like the Invisibles, the Cosmic Club and all these other fake elite scientist groups where they network.

There’s a Stanford professor who lies about “working with the CIA” when in reality, none of these people have security clearances. The professor works with an ex-CIA employee from 40-years ago on privately funded cases. They repeat rumors that ex-CIA or ex-DoD people repeat. These rumors, lies and sophisticated hoaxes originate from multiple unrelated sources.

There is definitely an illegal aspect and unknown actors involved in sophisticated hoaxes for decades. All of this related to war and geopolitical tactics but it is impossible to uncover because it is outside the government and obfuscated behind legitimate counterintelligence and the real national security risk of advance UAS.

Lue Elizondo claims to be 33rd degree Freemason- https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-...

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by mcpackieh on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:13PM (#37536070)
To be fair, at least the Freemasons exist. It's mostly just a drinking club for men who want a reprieve from their wives. Claiming to be a Freemason might be a lie, but it's a mundane sort of claim to make.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Waterluvian on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:47AM (#37535241)
Humans are wired to spot patterns. Many humans aren’t capable of overcoming that trait at the appropriate times.

It becomes far too trivial for someone to ignore a thousand points against and obsess over three points for, because it validates that pattern-seeking behaviour.

It’s why I don’t really hold any disdain for the conspiracy theorists: they’re functioning as nature intended.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by ourmandave on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:37AM (#37535721)
If you don't believe lions are dangerous because a few people weren't attacked, but then are eaten by lions, that's also nature functioning as intended.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:41AM (#37535767)
Full disclosure: there is no amount of people being eaten by lions that will stop me from trying give one skritches.

The one conspiratorial belief I hold is that all animals are my friend and someone is trying to keep them away from me.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Waterluvian on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:50AM (#37535851)
Somewhere, at some point in time, some zoologist got his heart broken by a hippo and decided to convince humanity to stay the hell away from them. I, for one, am not going to fall for that conspiracy. Hippos just want hugs.
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:37PM (#37536318)
I mean they always start running towards me when they see me!
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by effingwewt on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:54PM (#37536459)
There was a show with Betty White where she was feeding a whole watermelon to a hippo she'd been friends with for over 20 years.

It loved her and came right up to her.

Possibly the Pet Set but I couldn't find the video all I could find was her feeding an alligator in Lake Placid (which I don't remember ever having watched).

Maybe I'm remembering everything wrong, but if not maybe someone else has that video or show in their back pocket and can help out.

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by Avshalom on Saturday September 16, 2023 @01:07PM (#37536570)
It's not Betty White but here's Fiona and family getting watermelons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWflUf6l9hc

and here is the best hippo video on the internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SSnQBtaq4

Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by effingwewt on Saturday September 16, 2023 @03:02PM (#37537617)
Appreciate you, those were both new to me and worth the watch!
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by leeoniya on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:25AM (#37535607)
Re:NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens by user3939382 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:51AM (#37535862)
We're also strongly social animals and there is therefore a strong reward for positioning yourself with the prevailing consensus/status quo for safety. It’s why I don’t really hold any disdain for those that don't think critically for themselves: they’re functioning as nature intended.