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Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by munificent on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:23PM (#37528672)
The best way to keep track of your cat is to not let it outside. Benefits:

1. Zero cost for cat tracking devices, never need to charge them, never need to worry about the cat losing the device.

2. Dramatically reduced chance of your cat being killed by a car. Despite blogs claiming otherwise, I can find no reputable statistics on the number of pets killed by cars in the US, but there are >250k collisions with animals every year. Most are deer, but anecdotally I know many many people who have killed cats accidentally.

3. Dramatically reduced chance of your cat being killed by a coyote or raccoon. Yes, coyotes and raccoons will absolutely fuck up your cat. Yes, they are very likely in your city.

4. Your cat will not be playing a part in the wholesale slaughter of billions of birds, small mammals, reptiles, and other fauna that domesticated cats are responsible for.

5. Significantly longer predicted lifespan for your cat. The life expectancy for an indoor cat is about 14 years. For an outdoor cat, it's 2 to 5 years.

6. Your neighbors will appreciate not stumbling onto your cat's poop while gardening.

Seriously, keep your cat indoors.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by Fleusal on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:33PM (#37528768)
The cat would have a terribly boring life.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by nerb on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:36PM (#37528795)
you can walk your cat on a leash. you can play with it to give it stimulation. letting your cat roam outside isn't a replacement for your laziness.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by circuit10 on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:16PM (#37529236)
Even if you have a good point people are going to be less likely to listen to you if you start calling them lazy. This comment would be better without the last sentence
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by nerb on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:31PM (#37530756)
fair. projection on my part. i interpret seeing people say indoor cats lives are miserable (and using that idea uncritically to affirm their own choices) are doing so from a holier-than-thou position. to me, it's an uncreative and lazy view on pet ownership, but i getcha: flies, honey, and vinegar and all that.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by dietr1ch on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:40PM (#37529449)
> walk your cat on a leash

I doubt any of the cats I've ever had would approve of this

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by LordDragonfang on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:47PM (#37529499)
I live in an apartment complex with lots of animals and I see several of my neighbors leash-walk their cats regularly.

It just takes some time to train them usually. It's much easier if you get them used to it early in their lifetime, though.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by Grimblewald on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:51PM (#37529537)
Mine adores her leash walks. Cats are naturally skittish animals, being both prey and predator. So if they trust you as a source of protection the comfort of walking without worries is a benefit that outweighs the restriction of the harness. Plus it's high quality bonding time.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by ivraatiems on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:51PM (#37529543)
Sure, if you don't take care of it or provide any stimulation. Part of having pets is taking care of them.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by mustacheemperor on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:55PM (#37529569)
How much more boring is our world becoming without our songbirds?

https://daily.jstor.org/environmental-danger-outdoor-cats/

There’s the academic source, and for my anecdotal one my family’s yard in Connecticut is much quieter on a June afternoon today than it was 20 years ago.

There are responsible ways to keep indoor cats entertained. If someone can’t do that, then it seems to me they’re just as unsuited to having a pet as if they couldn’t keep it fed.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by prvc on Friday September 15, 2023 @06:48PM (#37530014)
How do you purport to know such a thing?
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by matsemann on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:33PM (#37528764)
I just checked. There is no coyotes or raccoons in my city. Not even anyone in my country!
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by wffurr on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:49PM (#37528949)
Oslo seems to be well within lynx territory, whom I am sure would be glad to snack on a housecat. Norway also has wolverines and in a few areas, wolves and bears.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by e12e on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:09AM (#37534112)
Norwegian cats eat lynx.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Forest_cat

More seriously - biggest danger is probably cars.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by wffurr on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:59PM (#37549241)
Wow that is one big house cat! Beautiful.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by munificent on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:27PM (#37530725)
That's just what the coyotes and raccoons want you to think!
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by ignite on Friday September 15, 2023 @04:45PM (#37528900)
My cat is an indoor cat. It wears a tracker. Cats escape, sometimes. This way we get an alert if he manages to get out.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by deely3 on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:08PM (#37529144)
What if cats are native animals here and live here for thousand of years?

Maybe, it make sense to not generalize and firstly get some information where cats are more welcome and where not.

Cats (as a predators) keep population of birds, small mammals, reptiles, and other fauna healthy. Or we should ignore this because its false?

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by kspacewalk2 on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:26PM (#37529320)
Where are household cats native animals?
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by haileys on Friday September 15, 2023 @07:45PM (#37530415)
Istanbul comes to mind. They have feral cats like other cities have feral pigeons, and have so for thousands of years

(and yes, pigeons are feral, not wild! They are a domesticated species)

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by kspacewalk2 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:45AM (#37599392)
feral != native
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by Eumenes on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:26PM (#37529321)
Every time this comes up, anywhere on the internet, this comment more or less appears. Cats belong outdoors, they're animals. You ever see how miserable a cat is indoors once its been outside? It's torture. So what if they have a shorter lifespan or get killed by a coyote - that's the cost of letting an animal outdoors vs confining it to a box. People who have cats in small city apartments are especially cruel.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by ivraatiems on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:51PM (#37529536)
...do dogs belong outdoors?

What about hamsters and guinea pigs?

Plenty of cats are perfectly happy to remain indoors. I have a cat who was rescued from the streets as a kitten. She actively refuses to go outside unless she is accompanied by a person, and even then, not for very long.

But even if you do want to let your cats live outdoor lives, that's no reason to just let them loose on the environment.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by munificent on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:25PM (#37530706)
> You ever see how miserable a cat is indoors once its been outside? It's torture.

Yes, I wouldn't describe it as torture.

I have seen what an outdoor cat does when it gets its paws on a lizard, snake, baby bird, or mouse. That's torture.

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by nerb on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:34PM (#37530786)
> cats in small city apartments are especially cruel.

nah, you're just an uncreative person. you can be involved in your pets stimulation. seeing that you think having a pet inside is just confining, i feel pretty correct assuming you see pets as just an animal you hang out with and feed and not a responsibility to nourish. instead, have the outdoors do your work for you! and if they die, so be it. shows a lot of love and care :)

Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by Aeolun on Friday September 15, 2023 @05:42PM (#37529461)
Why'd you get a cat if you can't give it a proper life? I find it hard to believe that all areas/countries are equal here. Cats shouldn't be imprisoned if at all possible.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by orf on Friday September 15, 2023 @06:02PM (#37529629)
What outdoor cat lives 2-5 years? How is this number meaningful when it’s not compared across countries and urban environment?
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by munificent on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:24PM (#37530701)
This statistic is from the US.
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by orf on Friday September 15, 2023 @08:29PM (#37530738)
… which is obvious, and not what I asked?
Re:Find my cat: open-source Cat Tracker by munificent on Monday September 18, 2023 @12:19PM (#37558284)
The asked what outdoor cats have that lifespan. The answer is outdoor cats in the US.