I would do this for somebody who was a billion dollars in debt. I don't care about their wealth or lack of maturity or anything of the sort. I just want people to stop picking the bad guys and constantly picking apart every thing they do. All it is doing is dividing us. We should come together where we agree. Musk supports using Starlink in defensive actions and it sounds like you do as well. Great, let's build on that instead of tearing each other down.
That's the problem though - having your own special definition of "defensive actions" makes the whole sentence meaningless.
It's like if I said "I am a vegetarian"... and by vegetarian I mean I don't eat animals I personally have seen while they're alive. You see how that's a problem?
The US Government has been very clear that they don't condone Ukrainians using NATO-supplied weapons to make attacks into Russia. That's a common-sense definition of "offensive" - doing something to attack the opponent on "their side".
But this whole thing was about Crimea. Crimea is part of Ukraine, despite what Russians and Putin's fanboys have spouted for the last 9 years.
> All it is doing is dividing us.
This phrase gets used so much by one crowd, it's almost like you're wearing a red MAGA cap.
The idea of course is genius. Make people feel bad for standing up for what they believe in, by guilting them into believing that it's better to support insurrectionists, racists, homophobes, etc - whatever shit-bird ideals the American Right has put on display that day, if you argue that they're a shit-bird, the instant response is "this is dividing us".
No shit. Most people don't want to be considered part of the same group as right wing extremists.
To suggest going on an offensive is not an offensive is ridiculous. Ukraine has been talking about a spring offensive for months. Last I checked a spring offensive is an offensive not a defensive.
You can't seem to separate a defensive war with offensive actions within the war. Not all actions within a defensive war are defense. I agree with you that the distinction in this case is arbitrary and dumb. Musk at least claims it is not. The Ukrainians agreed to Musk's distinction so they should keep their word or renegotiate with him.
>The US Government has been very clear that they don't condone Ukrainians using NATO-supplied weapons to make attacks into Russia. That's a common-sense definition of "offensive" - doing something to attack the opponent on "their side".
To be clear, since you are seemingly assuming a massive amount about my positions, I fully agree with you here. I am just trying to explain what position Musk is taking. I think taking back the land you lost is fine and still part of an overall defensive war. It is an offensive action, but part of an overall defensive war.
>But this whole thing was about Crimea. Crimea is part of Ukraine, despite what Russians and Putin's fanboys have spouted for the last 9 years.
OK? Not sure your point. Going on an offensive to recapture the land you lost is still an offensive.
>This phrase gets used so much by one crowd, it's almost like you're wearing a red MAGA cap.
>The idea of course is genius. Make people feel bad for standing up for what they believe in, by guilting them into believing that it's better to support insurrectionists, racists, homophobes, etc - whatever shit-bird ideals the American Right has put on display that day, if you argue that they're a shit-bird, the instant response is "this is dividing us".
You need to touch grass and get off the internet for a month. Please go outside and talk to the average person. And no I'm not talking about some San Franciscans, but normal and average everyday people. Most people are absolutely tired of all of this bickering. They just want people to get along and don't give a shit about all this. The average person would be sick if they saw you basically accusing me of being a racist and a homophobe even though I said nothing of the sort. You are destroying this country with your stupid shit.
Literally zero surprise that you assume anyone with an internet connection is a fucking American.
You could be an American or you could be a foreigner injecting yourself into American politics. Asking people to stop dividing us is not some right wing talking point. If you were an American you would you know the left was huge into saying Trump was dividing us and how that was bad. Now suddenly saying the same thing is right wing. Give me a break.
Like I said in my previous post. Please get off the internet for a while, touch grass, and talk to normal and average people in person. You will be a happier person and stop with calling everybody you don't agree with a racist.
Likewise.
I never called you a racist, and I never said you shouldn't try to prevent division.
I said the extreme right use the phrase "you're trying to divide us" to guilt people into accepting their abhorrent views. It's just a new spin on the same old game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
You: I'm a vegetarian
Me: You know Hitler was a vegetarian and you look like you are basically wearing a swastika.
You: Why are you calling me Hitler?
Me: I'm not, I'm just randomly bringing up Hitler even though he has nothing to do with the topic. I'm also just randomly mentioning this similar attribute you and Hitler share for no reason other than I wanted to mention it.
Nobody in their right mind would think I wasn't calling you Hitler. You implied I was a racist, a Trump supporter and a homophobe regardless if you explicitly said it just because I said stop dividing people.
That's the point though. The whole point is that the exact phrase you used, is used by right wing shit birds to shutdown any pushback or negative commentary on their views.
This whole thread is grounded in the discussion of a billionaire man baby trying to speed run the right wing shit-bird trail, and you use the literal phrase used by other right wing shit birds to defend such behaviour.
This is not at all like comparing any vegetarian to Hitler.
This like questioning their motives when someone is demanding you welcome them them "Heil, mein Führer" while doing a goose-step.
If I said "make America great again" or something like that then you might have a point.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.