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Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by ars on Thursday September 14, 2023 @06:39PM (#37515725)
It's not actually insurance, it's a payment plan. Insurance is meant to cover unexpected events, with this you pay a monthly fee for "insurance" which gives you the right to buy the glasses later for a normal price.

The other companies you mention are actual insurance: They cover rare, and unexpected events. As opposed to covering once every two year glasses, on a schedule.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:04PM (#37515972)
Then what is wrong with a business offering a payment plan?
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by Retric on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:24PM (#37516135)
The deception. False advertising is a crime for good reason.
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:48PM (#37516348)
What is the deception?
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by ars on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:20PM (#37517468)
The deception is that glasses cost a lot, and you need insurance to help with the cost.

In truth the insurance is just a scam because glasses cost 1/10th what they say.

Now that would be OK if there was actual competition, but there isn't, they are basically a monopoly - as soon as a competitor arises they buy them.

Online glasses are not the same market as a physical store where you can try them on.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:27PM (#37517528)
Everyone who goes to Walmart (majority of the US?) sees this section at the front of the store when they walk in or out:

https://www.walmart.com/browse/health-medicine/prescription-...

I see lots of $30 and $60 options.

The insurance is only a thing because the tax code allows it as a way for employers to pay people with untaxable money in the form of insurance, so it is not a real insurance market.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by Retric on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:04PM (#37517801)
Calling it insurance rather than a payment plan or something.

Further it’s got some serious conflict of interest going on with how the benefits are structured. So a plan may cover 1 300$ par of glasses, but not 2 pairs of 150$ glasses specifically to minimize the risk of a race to the bottom etc.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by ars on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:23PM (#37516126)
Because you end up paying around 50 times as much as what the glasses actually cost.

But because of how they do it they hide that. $40/month for 2 years = $960 "for insurance" which gives you the right to buy glasses worth around $20 or so.

All the number are inflated leaving people with the impression that glasses cost $400 - they don't.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:48PM (#37516344)
So now we are talking about profit margins being bad?

We have the internet now, with plenty of other vendors willing to sell eyeglass frames and lenses for cheaper.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:34PM (#37517120)
Profit margins that make a price more than double are pretty bad, yeah.

High profit margins are also bad when it's something people need.

The competition isn't working right, for a variety of reasons, and so the mere existence of competition does not make those problems disappear.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:59PM (#37517288)
How is the competition not working right?

https://www.zennioptical.com/

Pretty sure you can go to most Walmarts and find much cheaper corrective eyewear than Luxxotica too.

https://www.walmart.com/browse/health-medicine/prescription-...

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:13PM (#37517417)
The average person doesn't consider them to be a viable option. Don't ask me why, but it's true. And them being considered a viable option is a prerequisite to competition working right.
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:19PM (#37517463)
The average person (at least in the US) does not consider the world’s largest retailer, with a well known reputation for being the cheapest, an option? I don’t buy that.
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by ars on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:23PM (#37517494)
That WalMart link is to decorative glasses, not prescription glasses.

So here's the thing with WalMart and Luxottica - their insurance does not fully cover WalMart! They give you a significantly reduced amount with WalMart (or Costco), that's how you know it's fraudulent - they only want to cover their own stores, that's not a normal behavior for "insurance".

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:38PM (#37517593)