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Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 14, 2023 @03:55PM (#37513996)
> you also can't tell employees not to say those things

You and I can’t. Our lawyers can. There shouldn’t be that many people at your firm who can make anticompetitive decisions. Ensure they meet 1:1 with corporate counsel to be advised on what the law is, and how the law responds to certain language. That’s not only kosher, it’s protected by privilege.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by sidewndr46 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @03:57PM (#37514018)
based on the discovery from this and other cases, everyone at Google believed they were entitled to meet with legal counsel and that all conversations were privileged
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 14, 2023 @03:58PM (#37514044)
> everyone at Google believed they were entitled to meet with legal counsel and that all conversations were privileged

It sounds like a lot of senior people at Google don’t understand how privilege works.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by Cheezewheel on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:28PM (#37516172)
As someone who is ignorant of this matter, why aren't the conversations privileged? Is it because the lawyer's represent the company and not the individual personally?
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by sidewndr46 on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:08AM (#37522353)
The way I had a lawyer relate this to me was along the lines of:

I ask a lawyer about the legality of specific acts I am considering. This is privileged conversation.

I send an email to someone else telling them to do something (which may be in violation of one or more laws). I copy legal counsel on the email and "request their input on their subject at hand". This is not privileged communication.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by esrauch on Thursday September 14, 2023 @08:37PM (#37516699)
I've been a swe at big cos for 10 years and I believe this because that's literally what the lawyers repeatedly informed me was the case. Every significant launch involves a moment where a senior engineer meets with legal counsel and explains the launch and counsel says if they see legal risks with the launch. It's also routine to meet with them early and discuss possible future directions or explain the business value in revisiting a standing policy to see if the benefit to risk is worth it or not.

If you're saying that random engineers aren't actually entitled to meet with legal counsel and have a privileged conversation where they privately ask for directed legal advice, that would be surprising news to me.

Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by birdyrooster on Thursday September 14, 2023 @04:31PM (#37514462)
Legal privilege will not apply if your conversations with your attorney are for planning or furthering an ongoing crime or fraud, or one that hasn't happened yet.
Re:Google hid evidence by training workers to avoid words mo... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 14, 2023 @05:21PM (#37515026)
> if your conversations with your attorney are for planning or furthering an ongoing crime or fraud

Sure. But that isn’t what’s going on here. Every regulated industry has blackballed terms. Communicating that to ensure employees don’t accidentally trip up, as well as informing them of the laws they are meant to follow, is totally legitimate.