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Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by readyplayernull on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @06:27PM (#37502534)
Maybe it's due to plastics replacing wood. Interesting we haven't found/invented another kind of material to manufacture objects, maybe metal/crystal foam will replace it one day, some metal's microparticles should be more environmentaly safe than microplastic which carries additives that are toxic and can be burned.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by vondur on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @06:33PM (#37502592)
Isn't the cleared land used for growing food and not wood for making things?
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by myshpa on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @06:41PM (#37502653)
https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation

https://ourworldindata.org/soy

Beef, soy and palm oil are responsible for 60% of tropical deforestation

Beef - 2.71 million hectares / year

Soy - 480,000 ha / year (77% for animal feed, just 7% for humans)

Palm Oil - 270,000 ha / year

Wood - 380,000 ha / year (but probably more)

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by zztop44 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:12PM (#37502883)
So effectively beef is the key driver of tropical deforestation.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @08:20PM (#37503362)
Yep. Enjoy your Big Mac.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by prawn on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:15PM (#37503724)
Just a question out of curiosity, but have you seen figures on the spread of beef usage in specific foods? e.g., what percentage is in ground beef and fast food form, what percentage is in whole cuts heading to homes and restaurants, other applications, etc.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:51PM (#37503980)
Not for a while. I do know the big chains and particularly McDonald's have searched far and wide for beef sources. They also compound the pathogen problem by mixing meat from many animals before grinding it to make hamburger. Whereas your butcher shop would be lucky to get 3 cows into a single burger, a big mac may have 1000. One. Thousand.

I stopped eating beef for a long time after the vCJD scare. But it was a good excuse to reduce my carbon footprint. Chicken and pork have a much smaller footprint. Now I try to avoid cheap cuts and especially cheap ground beef.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by vondur on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:14PM (#37502901)
Wow, I assumed Palm Oil plantations were the biggest culprit from recent news reports.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by ethbr1 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:28PM (#37503010)
I think most palm oil production is in SE Asia.

Indonesia and Malaysia together product 84% of the world's output. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/02/which-...

PS to all: Don't buy products with palm oil, it kills orangutans.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by protocolture on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:53PM (#37503174)
I dont like Orangutans
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @10:03PM (#37504074)
Right turn, Clyde.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by tourmalinetaco on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:55PM (#37503185)
Not the orangutans :(
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @08:22PM (#37503378)
Pretty much all commercial cookies contain palm oil. Including Girl Scouts, which acted a few years ago like they were learning new information and would act on it, and have done nothing.

Although their concerns about Palm Oil weren't (or at least are no longer) about orangutans, they were about child labor.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hooverd on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:24AM (#37510240)
Teach the orangutans to harvest palm fruit.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Thursday September 14, 2023 @04:22PM (#37514348)
On a more serious note, there is usually nothing for orangs to eat. If they aren’t killed by the construction crew, they migrate to find food.

There is one guy who built a polyculture date palm farm. Date palms, some brambly tree to keep megafauna out, and I forget the rest of the plant species. Except it was habitable by orangs, and semi protected.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by myshpa on Thursday September 14, 2023 @06:37PM (#37515713)
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Friday September 15, 2023 @02:14PM (#37527072)
I think so yes. I did not learn about him from TED but I found it later.

The moment where he tells the audience to stop clapping for him might be the most respect I’ve gained for anyone in two seconds flat.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by Azek on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:56PM (#37503193)
So 3,079,600 ha per annum for Animal Ag vs 760,400 ha for everything else.

That's roughly 75:25

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by hinkley on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @10:03PM (#37504072)
WWF claims that the soy farmers buy land from the ranchers. The cattle ranches burn new forest to replace the farmland they sold.

Bloody hands all around.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by readyplayernull on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @06:36PM (#37502614)
Both?
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by romusha on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @08:39PM (#37503472)
People have invented many kinds of materials as alternatives to plastics tho. It's just not economical. It's not about technology
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by lacrimacida on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:22PM (#37503777)
Its not economical for quick profits/next generation pays the price. Maybe we should take in consideration the ‘long term, that way better things would become a lot more economical, especially when reuse becomes common sense again. We did better in the past in this regard.
Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by Supermancho on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:56PM (#37504022)
> Its not economical for quick profits/next generation pays the price. Maybe we should take in consideration the ‘long term

Maybe, but 50+ years later and we're still following the money. I don't expect humans to collectively change behavior for longer than either of our lifetimes.

Re:Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues to plunge by romusha on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @11:26PM (#37504618)
Then what is needed is somekind of social or economic innovations, not tech. All the techs for sustainable green living are there already