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Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by baq on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @11:40AM (#37498226)
xlsx is zipped xml. it might actually work. your profession must be very weird, though - knowing about git merge conflicts and not knowing how to use excel sounds like an empty venn diagram.
Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by zelphirkalt on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @04:57PM (#37501644)
I wrote "usually people in my profession have rarely if ever any need for Excel". But I will explain.

Many software developers usually have no need for something like Excel. Either they use some free/libre alternative, because they know about it existing, or they use an actual programming language, or some might even use something like Emacs org-mode spreadsheets, or they use some library like Pandas for things, where it is reasonable to get out the tools. Software developers are also more likely to be aware of the technical debt incurred by storing anything inside Excel formats and will avoid it, if they are wise.

As such many software developers rarely use Excel, if at all. I personally don't use it at all. All my simple spreadsheet needs are covered by Libreoffice Calc or Emacs org-mode. If I had to use Excel now, I would not know the names of functions (translated perhaps, because Excel does that silly stuff) or how to reference cells (Is it $ and then the number? And : as a separator between col and row?). So yeah, to properly use it, many of us would have to learn at least a little of it.

Many if not most cases of Excel usage are actually due to people not knowing the alternatives, or perhaps knowing they exist, but not having the knowledge to use them (like with programming and quickly dishing out a few Pandas calls or Emacs org mode spreadsheets).

Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by baq on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:19AM (#37505253)
FWIW when I say Excel, I mean one of the big spreadsheet tools.

Excel is like Python: the second best tool for a lot of problems. There are problems which take five minutes to solve in the shell or in a text editor (maybe less now when LLMs can straight produce certain solutions with a simple prompt) and they take 10 seconds in a spreadsheet including copy and paste. I really recommend spending some time with Excel just as I recommend reading the table of contents of your primary DBMS’ manual.

I’d actually argue that being able to solve a problem quick and dirty in excel and in then in a more proper way in pandas is a good thing.

Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by abenga on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:26AM (#37505297)
All my life I have used Excel, OO Calc (now LO), and Google Sheets interchangeably and I have found experience in one carries across both the others pretty seamlessly. I actually think of them as just one thing. Formulas are pretty much the same, especially.
Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by NateEag on Thursday September 14, 2023 @12:50AM (#37505109)
I have resolved many, many git conflicts.

I am perennially lost in all but the very simplest spreadsheets.

Re:What Is Wrong with TOML? by baq on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:24AM (#37505278)
If it helps, you can think of excel as a purely functional programming language with a 2D UI for memory visualization and editing.