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Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by paulmd on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:28PM (#37491474)
Glorifying government intervention into market economics (and forcing a changeover of an entire ecosystem of hardware, producing innumerable e-waste) seems like an odd take for HN's libertarian culture.

Same thing with the sideloading, it's not enough that android lets you do it, apple's business model centered around the iphone as a secure endpoint has to be completely outlawed.

kinda seems the android idea just isn't resilient enough to stand on its own in the market without government intervention to literally outlaw competition with it. given how obtuse and anti-consumer the USB-IF body tends to be, this probably won't end well in the long run.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by komali2 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @12:06AM (#37492072)
I don't understand - many devices that aren't android phones use USBC. The only devices on earth that used lightning were Apple ones, and not even all their devices (laptops) use it.

Standards and interop are good. If the "free market" refuses to align on that value I'm happy for another mechanism to force it to happen. Judging from this thread, I'm not alone in that.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by baq on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @01:03AM (#37492399)
Free market is only possible because of regulators in the first place. Libertarians conveniently ignore this fact.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by perilunar on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @04:24AM (#37493782)
I don't think they do. Most libertarians aren't anarchists — they accept the need for some government. They just debate (endlessly) how much.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by coldtea on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @01:35AM (#37492593)
>Glorifying government intervention into market economics (and forcing a changeover of an entire ecosystem of hardware, producing innumerable e-waste) seems like an odd take for HN's libertarian culture.

Not everybody is libertarian here, many are pragmatic, and are not dogmatic when a regulation is good.

For example, we also don't lament how there are standards in power plugs, and we don't have to juggle with 20 competing power outlets from different companies in our own country for the benefit of the "free market". That's for starry eyes "ideal over utility" libertarian types.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by md_ on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @05:05AM (#37494141)
In the shadow of encroaching regulatory despotism, the luminous innovation of the iPhone was threatened with bureaucratic shackles by the European Union. The relentless march of progress was halted, as the central planners decreed that every charging port must bow before the altar of uniformity. No longer could Apple's vision for a sleek and efficient Lightning connector reign supreme; instead, the heavy hand of Brussels demanded compliance with the USB-C standard. The champions of individualism and choice saw their liberty erode, replaced by the stifling straitjacket of conformity. The spirit of innovation, once ignited by the entrepreneurial genius of Silicon Valley, flickered in the face of such top-down directives, leaving a world dimmed by uniformity, where the art of technological diversity was sacrificed at the altar of bureaucratic convenience.

Or, like, you know...it's just a charging cable.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by maigret on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:08AM (#37496254)
... Ultimately, Apple failed because of USB-C.