News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by beardedwizard on Monday September 11, 2023 @07:46PM (#37475205)
The me too movement showed us clearly: you do not separate the artist from the art. Elons bad behavior is his legacy now.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by YtGoodman on Monday September 11, 2023 @07:58PM (#37475287)
What if someone like MLK Jr had skeletons in his closet that we discovered? Should we discard his legacy so we don’t “separate the artist from the art”?
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by acdha on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:22PM (#37475452)
He does - womanizing - and scholars are discussing that in context:

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-...

Here’s a key difference: being a lousy husband (I include sidelining his wife for sexist reasons) tarnished his reputation but it doesn’t directly undercut the civil rights movement’s primary success. It does call into question the movement calling for equal rights on race but being marginal on gender, and quite a lot has been written about that.

In contrast, most of the damage Musk has done to his reputation has been undercutting the things he’s supposedly good at by demonstrating that he isn’t. His sexual harassment or family feuds are salacious but they didn’t spoil his companies’ reputation the way things like Tesla autopilot or basically everything at Twitter had done.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by insickness on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:31PM (#37475530)
Twitter was far worse of a dumpster fire before Musk got a hold of it. Read the Twitter files. Just because Twitter doesn't tilt hard left anymore doesn't make Musk a villain, just a villain to you. There's a big difference.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by kemotep on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:15PM (#37475840)
I am no longer able to use the site because of his changes. 10 years of following links from articles or friends and then scrolling threads. I guess it cost more than the ad revanue my click would’ve generated but I can no longer visit the site to generate any more revenue now. So objectively twitter is worse under Musk’s stewardship as the site no longer works at all for me.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by acdha on Monday September 11, 2023 @10:36PM (#37476441)
> Twitter was far worse of a dumpster fire before Musk got a hold of it. Read the Twitter files.

I did, which is how I know you didn’t. There really wasn’t much there - even Taibbi eventually admitted that – and it requires some real dishonesty to come up with a “hard left” label.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by Clubber on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:13AM (#37479887)
The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this indeed violated the first amendment.

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/23/23-30445-CV0.pd...

You'd think this would be much more prominent in the news.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by acdha on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:54AM (#37480419)
> The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

I note that you aren’t citing examples for a reason. That’s because we both know that’s not accurate way to describe some federal government officials or campaign staff alerting Twitter to posts which clearly violated their terms of service, especially when there are other examples shown where Twitter said no without consequences.

> 5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this violated the first amendment

No, they didn’t. What they did was remove 9 of the 10 injunctions a Trump appointee issued earlier this year:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.18...

The one point they did allow was substantially trimmed back, too: “So, the injunction's language must be further tailored to exclusively target illegal conduct and provide the officials with additional guidance or instruction on what behavior is prohibited.”

I think it’s important to remember that this is one of the most conservative circuit courts in the country with a history of activist rulings, and this case is an election year move by some prominent Republicans to help their party’s presidential candidate, who appointed one of the judges. The fact that even that court trimmed things down so dramatically doesn’t suggest it’s anywhere near as strong as the conservative commenters whose analysis you’re repeating would like.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by Clubber on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:05AM (#37480538)
I linked a primary source, you should read it.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by acdha on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:13AM (#37480656)
I did, on Friday. Feel free to support any of the claims you made with specific citations.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by Clubber on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:51AM (#37481269)
>The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

>5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this indeed violated the first amendment.

"A group of social-media users and two states allege that numerous federal officials coerced social-media platforms into censoring certain social- media content, in violation of the First Amendment. We agree, but only as to some of those officials."

That's on the first page for reference.

Edit: Site says I'm posting to fast, but the provision 6 is a very important provision (pp 69) and the remaining defendants are quite a long list. It seems the pontiffs named everybody they could think of and the judge whittled it down to the ones that are actually violating provision 6 (pp 72-73).

From what I'm reading, the remaining defendants are still under the injunction in regards to provision 6. If that is correct, this is certainly not a "nothing burger" as many in the media are reporting.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by acdha on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:03AM (#37481452)
Keep reading and you’ll read what I was summarizing - section VII on page 74 has the gist.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by AtlasBarfed on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:08PM (#37475348)
Mlk Jr does have skeletons in his closet
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by williamstein on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:05PM (#37475338)
Yes
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by bdcravens on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:05PM (#37475337)
How about Bill Cosby?
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by beardedwizard on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:56AM (#37479703)
Is this a serious question? Bill Cosby is dead to America.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by beardedwizard on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:59AM (#37479735)
Same with Thomas Edison who only recently is being portrayed as the villain he was.
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by Zigurd on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:51AM (#37480378)
Ehhh Edison was considered quite a huckster for a while. The "invented the lightbulb" trope is worse than "founded Tesla."
Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by JuanPosadas on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:47PM (#37485836)
Did you even think about this comparison before you typed it?

Musk's pre-Twitter and unexagerated legacy is luxury cars and some vague stuff about space.

MLK Jr is a human rights icon who was assassinated.

Musk is still eligible for his legacy holding a science victory. For example if he can get something more substantial to happen on the moon/mars or kick start asteroid mining.

Right now his legacy is proving billionaires aren't geniuses and that meritocracy is a lie.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by Clubber on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:30PM (#37475521)
>you do not separate the artist from the art

I do. I think a lot of people just like bitching and Elon is the current hotness. Bitchin' for clicks. I wonder if these people analyze their own mistakes as critically as they do others'. Question for the philosophers.

>Elons bad behavior is his legacy now.

Yea, that won't age well 10-20 years from now, look at Steve Jobs' legacy. He was a huge dick at times, but people still buy Apple stuff like crazy. Who remembers the names of his critics? I sure don't.

Also, what adult uses terms like "superhero," and "supervillain" to describe a real person in professional journalistic writing? Too many movies. They should take their job more seriously. It's as if they can't think outside binary good/evil like a toddler. There's some criticism from me. They can take it as seriously as I take their's.

PS: Notice me too got ignored by the press as soon as Biden got accused? Funny that. Unfortunate, but such is politics.

Re:Elon Musk went from superhero to supervillain by mortureb on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @12:33AM (#37476966)
Please don’t use the me too movement to justify anything. You’re only hurting your argument.