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Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by anon-3988 on Monday September 11, 2023 @12:05AM (#37462745)
> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventually.

Really? What kind of things do you have to google for Linux to work these days? The opposite is true for me in Windows, I am not about to relearn how to use the Windows terminal.

Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by jwells89 on Monday September 11, 2023 @12:28AM (#37462874)
In my personal experience it's usually random little things that technically work but not quite right, and occasionally it's stuff that's just outright broken.

There's also been a fair amount of googling for how to set up X in Linux to do Y only to find a trail of half-functional or abandoned packages. Getting global menus set up in your DE of choice for example takes a surprising amount of twiddling and even at its best doesn't work with a lot of software. Getting everything functioning as expected with a minimal WM setup is also a surprising amount of work (e.g. laptop volume keys not working if some daemon isn't running). Admittedly it's not as bad if all your want is a Win9x-type or iPad-type desktop.

Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by bergon on Monday September 11, 2023 @01:18AM (#37463173)
It's frustrating that you can't change DE in Windows though, and that it changes from version to version.
Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by anticensor on Monday September 11, 2023 @03:19AM (#37464003)
You actually can, but there is no viable alternative DE. If only KDE had a Win32-free build for Windows.
Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by bergon on Monday September 11, 2023 @04:44AM (#37464541)
I didn't know that, thanks for mentioning. It's apparently called shells in Windows lingo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_shells_f...
Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by simion314 on Monday September 11, 2023 @01:58AM (#37463412)
>Getting global menus set up in your DE of choice for example takes a surprising amount of twiddling and even at its best doesn't work with a lot of software.

And is one click and works with all apps in Windows ?

Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by jwells89 on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:40AM (#37467114)
No, but there’s no chance of Windows becoming my primary platform — I use it almost exclusively for games (some of which don’t play nice with Proton) — and so I don’t need as much from it.
Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by simion314 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @05:42AM (#37478714)
But you realize that getting all possible apps to look the same and have same behavior is very hard, you have GTK2, GTK3, GTK4 with their limited customization, then you have Qt apps, KDE apps, Java with their different GUI frameworks, node apps, Wine apps, other smaller toolkits used in Python etc.

But as you admit in Linux you have infinite more power to attempt setting up a global menu, but this feature is not something a mainstream distro offers by default so IMO is not a fair complaint.

Re:Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users by biogene on Monday September 11, 2023 @01:52PM (#37470938)
I don't think Linux is as bad as people claim, but it isn't as good/easy to use as people claim either. One problem I see is that the distribution of software is tied to the package manager. If you install any complex (esp stuff that uses web+database+python,etc) app outside of this system, I've seen dependencies break when updating software. MariaDB/Laravel upgrades have been painful.