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Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by ekianjo on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:05AM (#37446234)
Have you asked your ISP the same question
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by Ar-Curunir on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:13AM (#37446321)
I think a car has a different position in "internet connectivity" than a ISP...

(not to excuse ISP data collection, but implying that a car is as critical for network access as an ISP is nonsense)

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by ekianjo on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:31AM (#37446529)
The ISP has technically no business knowing what you visited after they transfer the bits to you
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by pastage on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:40AM (#37446645)
I have been living under a rock the last ten years so I thought the EU still had the data retention directive. Between 2006-2014 all ISPs were required to logg traffic in the EU. I am so glad you are right!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:49AM (#37446727)
Many potential forms of ISP data collection are unlawful in the US thanks to wiretap laws, which is why we don't generally see this level of surveillance from ISPs here.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by johndhi on Saturday September 09, 2023 @12:10PM (#37446978)
Pretty sure this isn't true. What wiretapping laws do you have in mind? I think ISPs are exempt from most.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Sunday September 10, 2023 @12:36AM (#37452944)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 Note the narrowness of (2) (a) and the broadness of (1)(a)/(1)(b).
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by johndhi on Sunday September 10, 2023 @08:52AM (#37455390)
2a is the exception I was thinking of.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:11PM (#37475376)
Indeed, but I don't think you can "we spy on our users and sell the results" under 2(a).