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Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by vulcan01 on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:49AM (#37445376)
The question is, why are they collecting it in the first place?
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by kingcobraninja on Saturday September 09, 2023 @10:24AM (#37445797)
Two and a half words: post-purchase monetization
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by jprete on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:31AM (#37446532)
I think the GP's question is more rhetorical, or, to put it as a non-rhetorical question:

"Why is it acceptable on any level for my car to become a spyware device on par with Facebook, when I paid an enormous sum to be its owner and controller for my own benefit, and not to become a residual profit stream for ${CAR_COMPANY}?".

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by imglorp on Saturday September 09, 2023 @12:00PM (#37446859)
Recurring revenue.

What's a dossier like that with on the market when it includes location, Bluetooth IDs of all occupants and private conversations? $5/mo? $10$?

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by croes on Saturday September 09, 2023 @10:52AM (#37446090)
I guess they collect simply everything and don't want to filter out.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nextaccountic on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:40AM (#37446646)
But if data wasn't worth anything, they wouldn't bother, right?
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by ekianjo on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:05AM (#37446234)
Have you asked your ISP the same question
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by Ar-Curunir on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:13AM (#37446321)
I think a car has a different position in "internet connectivity" than a ISP...

(not to excuse ISP data collection, but implying that a car is as critical for network access as an ISP is nonsense)

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by ekianjo on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:31AM (#37446529)
The ISP has technically no business knowing what you visited after they transfer the bits to you
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by pastage on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:40AM (#37446645)
I have been living under a rock the last ten years so I thought the EU still had the data retention directive. Between 2006-2014 all ISPs were required to logg traffic in the EU. I am so glad you are right!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:49AM (#37446727)
Many potential forms of ISP data collection are unlawful in the US thanks to wiretap laws, which is why we don't generally see this level of surveillance from ISPs here.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by johndhi on Saturday September 09, 2023 @12:10PM (#37446978)
Pretty sure this isn't true. What wiretapping laws do you have in mind? I think ISPs are exempt from most.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Sunday September 10, 2023 @12:36AM (#37452944)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 Note the narrowness of (2) (a) and the broadness of (1)(a)/(1)(b).
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by johndhi on Sunday September 10, 2023 @08:52AM (#37455390)
2a is the exception I was thinking of.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by nullc on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:11PM (#37475376)
Indeed, but I don't think you can "we spy on our users and sell the results" under 2(a).
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by andrepd on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:21AM (#37446408)
Bingo.

Signal for example, is also subject to US law. They can be compelled to reveal everything they have in a person. Which they happily do: they hand over a page with the date of account creation and the day it last connected. Which is all they have.

Don't collect information, and you don't have a problem.

Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by asvitkine on Saturday September 09, 2023 @01:07PM (#37447602)
Because there's no law preventing it? Ideally there would be regulations making this illegal unless they get the user's consent at the time of purchase as well as allowing users to opt out at any point thereafter.
Re:Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by... by berniedurfee on Saturday September 09, 2023 @01:46PM (#37448046)
Money