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Re:Bun v1.0.0 by pxc on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:26PM (#37438970)
Requiring stakeholders (users, contributors, whatever) in a free software project to use non-free software to fully participate in the community is a disservice to the movement, the users, and software freedom generally.

There's some room for debate about offering Discord as a bridged option. But having the official community chat only on Discord? How is there even a question?

Re:Bun v1.0.0 by MatthiasPortzel on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:48PM (#37440265)
This argument also applies to GitHub, yet I’ve never seen an open source project criticized for hosting issues on GitHub.

Both are proprietary websites owned by for-profit companies. Both require you to create an account in order to participate in discussion.

Re:Bun v1.0.0 by pxc on Friday September 08, 2023 @07:44PM (#37440680)
Most sizeable F/OSS organizations track bugs somewhere other than GitHub for exactly that reason!

Don't get me wrong. I get small developers defaulting to infrastructure they don't have to set up and maintain themselves, and I understand wanting to meet people where they're at. But it's definitely a problem that GitHub plays such a central role in F/OSS development, too.

Re:Bun v1.0.0 by keb_ on Friday September 08, 2023 @11:29PM (#37441990)
A couple points:

1. Git is distributed by design. Hosting on Github tends to not be controversial because that code can also live on Gitea/Sourcehut/your private git server at the same time. If Github goes down, it does not really matter. Very different from Discord, where there is no way to actually backup server/channel data, and attempting to do so may be a violation of the ToS and get you IP banned.

2. Your argument hinges on the fact that you have never seen an open-source project criticized, but it does happen. The blogpost in the parent comment even suggests not hosting on Github.

Re:Bun v1.0.0 by nonethewiser on Friday September 08, 2023 @09:54PM (#37441437)
Non free software? Either this seems misleading or Im confused. You don’t need to pay to participate in the discord. The server owners may have costs but thats not a burden on the community and is always going to be the case.
Re:Bun v1.0.0 by keb_ on Friday September 08, 2023 @11:24PM (#37441967)
You may be unfamiliar with the term "free software". See the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
Re:Bun v1.0.0 by dancemethis on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:26AM (#37445129)
They (Discord team) seem to not know what Free Software means too.

Some time ago I asked them whether they planned to ever become Free Software so it could be actually safe and have a community around it, and after a couple of messages they went (not verbatim, but in spirit) "oh, open source? lolno", missing the point entirely in multiple ways.

Taking into account their massive teen-focused PR campaign - which is a particularly social phase of human growth and FOMO reigns supreme, their predecessor OpenFeint's demise including a privacy lawsuit, the amounts of data and metadata implicitly and explicitly collected, it's at least _likely enough to distrust it_. The doors in the back are bound to be giving that sweet personal data to whomever has a big enough money stick, and/or other non-trustable agencies.