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Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by Torkel on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:59AM (#37415246)
What is the big vision at Anduril? SpaceX has the goal to make life multiplanetary, which sets them apart from the old crop of rocket companies.

This drone looks no different than what comes out of Lockheed?

Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by MilStdJunkie on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:23AM (#37415385)
Like Aaron said, also, from what I've seen firsthand, they've been poaching LockBoNorthRay like mad the last five years or so. I mean, it's not that hard; odds are the pay bump was measurable and you were sharing an asbestos cubicle with a toxic growth of fiftysomething chairwarmers who don't know what the wheel on a mouse does.

Word is Anduril's trying to do the SpaceX thing to defense. Personal ideology aside, more power to 'em; DoD procurement is a lightless nightmare realm from which nothing good can emerge.

Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by Torkel on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:04PM (#37422049)
"The SpaceX thing to defence" - SpaceX introduced reusable rockets and e.g. builds their own rocket engines... I feel that I can explain unique things that set SpaceX apart from legacy companies. And that those things are not just "they are a startup and the legacy companies are not".

But for Anduril I fail to see what they actually do that is so revolutionary vs what was already out there. And most of the info out there, including here, is about the founder and not the company. But perhaps it's just that the cool demos are not public.

Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by MilStdJunkie on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:51PM (#37422839)
All true, agreed. IMO SpaceX also took the fifty-cubic-kilometer mound of paperwork surrounding orbital launch, surveyed it carefully with a steely gaze, then pulled out their unit and pissed all over it.

OK, I say that with some levity. From what I've seen, it was far more subtle, and this is the aspect, the "secret sauce", that Anduril might be looking to replicate.

What they really did - one of the things, the thing that's in my core interest - was go through the . . tens of thousands . . of specifications, and isolate the ones that actually mattered, versus the ones that were good but onerously labor intensive[1], versus the ones that weren't only not necessary but which were unfalsifiable[2].

One of SpaceX's great advantages is that they could just deep six such very-expensive-hourly-headcount piles of "work", before they got stuck up to their axles in an entirely speculative systems engineering approach or some other brilliant piece of paperwork.

[1] Like looking for "commonality" when no such thing exists or is even possible. SpaceX doesn't waste time trying to show how "modular" their crap is according to some spec or other - when a variant goes far enough afield, they don't hesitate to cut the cord and roll a new product. False equivalence is a poison pill across all of aerospace, but in MIL-STD especially.

[2] Like the DoD mapping of Mil-STD-881 to MIL-STD-498 to goddamn scrums - how the hell do you tell if that's useful or not? Or if it's an actual thing in the world? You can't. It's horseshit, a six million dollar Powerpoint slide.

Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by xyzzyz on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:54PM (#37438586)
What Anduril is trying to do is to first build product that they think the customers will need, on their own dime, and with no exact specs from DoD or anyone else, and then present the (more or less) finished product to the customer, and tell them to take it or leave it. This removes the need for negotiating R&D contracts, preparing detailed spec or working with someone else’s detailed spec etc, and does cut significant amount of process related red tape. The risk here is that the customer will, indeed, leave it instead of buying, which means that R&D costs are not recouped.
Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by killjoywashere on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:15AM (#37415350)
Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by aaronbrethorst on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:02AM (#37415267)
The founder spent a ton of cash on “shitposters” supporting Donald Trump in 2016[1], his sister is married to an infamous Congressman, and the name of the company is cribbed from Tolkien. What more do you need?

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13025422/palmer-luckey-oc...

Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by Terr_ on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:19AM (#37415370)
...Just clarification that the above description is not referring to Palantir. :P
Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by rbanffy on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:37AM (#37416241)
Which has an even more despicable villain.
Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by MikusR on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:50AM (#37415571)
The "tons of cash" were for a single billboard.
Re:Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone by chargingmarmot on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:02AM (#37415628)
My impression was that Anduril wanted to own the software for multi-(thing) coordination.

i.e. consume information from multiple sources (satellites, ground stations, planes, drones) and use it to coordinate the action of other drones/planes/etc.

There's a list of things they actually do now on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduril_Industries (see "Lattice" in particular)

There was an announcement last week (and yesterday) about a "Replicator" initiative from the DoD (using large numbers of cheap drones) that seems largely aimed at countering China in the Taiwan Strait; I can imagine this is the sort of business they want to be involved with.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/8/29/n...

""" With Replicator, we're beginning with all-domain, attritable autonomy, or ADA2, to help us overcome the PRC's advantage in mass: more ships, more missiles, more forces.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine again last February, they had that advantage too. Yet we've seen in Ukraine what low-cost, attritable systems can do — not to mention other commercial technologies.

They can help a determined defender stop a larger aggressor from achieving its objectives, put fewer people in the line of fire, and be made, fielded, and upgraded at the speed warfighters need, without long maintenance tails.

At DoD, we've already been investing in attritable autonomous systems [...] and in multiple domains: self-piloting ships, uncrewed aircraft, and more.

Now is the time to scale, with systems that are harder to plan for, harder to hit, and harder to beat than those of potential competitors. """

- (2023-09-06) https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/3517213...