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Re:Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient ... by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:31AM (#37405708)
Well, that's a choice your ops people make.

There is absolutely no technical reason to provide all of your storage needs with a single quality of disks. You may do that to get some economies of scale, but if the impact is that high, you should rethink it. You can just as well have two different solutions, one with a huge amount of disk space, little redundancy and low performance, and one with a limited amount of space, plenty of redundancy and high performance.

And yes, I know that goes against every common ops procedure, because disks are so cheap. But the next thing you hear is always that disks are not cheap at all, and you really can't have it both ways.

Re:Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient ... by datadrivenangel on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:41AM (#37406741)
When you start requiring redundancy, you start needing 2-6x the number of disks, minimum.

Still cheap, but not that cheap.

Re:Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient ... by acdha on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:16AM (#37417831)
The problem is that staff time costs an order of magnitude more and most of these things can go wrong. For example, you don’t just want to buy random lots of whatever disks are cheapest because then you have to track recalls and firmware updates for everything.

If you have two tiers available, someone will use the less reliable one because that’s how they fit their budget but then because it’s “in production” they’ll expect the same level of service.

All of these are manageable but what you’re really hearing is that the technical issues are really the tip of the social iceberg most organizations have. One of the reasons people pick AWS isn’t just that it’s usually cheaper than the full cost of rolling your own but that lots of these things don’t affect you: you never fail to provision an EBS volume because the VPs of finance and IT are still arguing about procuring a new rack of disks, people can’t request endless customizations because the options are “take it or leave it”, etc.

Re:Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient ... by tremon on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:24PM (#37424276)
Single disks are cheap. Multi-disk storage systems are not. Multi-tiered storage systems are even more expensive. I don't see an inherent conflict there.