If this story was deleted based by PG because the conversation devolved pretty quickly, that's reasonable; if this story was deleted automatically based on some large number of people flagging it, that's pretty damn interesting in the context of the story.
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by Tichy on Thursday March 22, 2012 @12:30PM
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I flagged it because I don't think anything useful comes out of those sexism threads. It's effectively trolling. Not saying it is not a problem, just that it won't be solved by flamewars on HN.
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by bksenior on Thursday March 22, 2012 @12:40PM
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It is incredibly important not only because of the sexism angle, but it opens up a pretty clear case of the appropriateness of handling customer complaints in a public forum.
Flagging something do to a perceived "possible flamewar" is no better than lame use of fallacies to discount such a commonplace and pregnant problem.
I'm pretty sure that in a community of entrepreneurs and developers, this story is actually one of the most pertinent. It deals with PR and culture and I don't see why anyone should flag it. The comment thread on that story was really interesting - you might want to read it. Sometimes it is not just about the story - it is also about the discussion on HN that I come here for
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by willvarfar on Thursday March 22, 2012 @12:28PM
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Yeap, something is up with the general whole front-page today; stories with low points from long ago are floating up whilst this and other today stories are disappearing
Flagging might explain disappearing, but does it explain that the front page is all out-of-order?
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by Anderkent on Thursday March 22, 2012 @12:16PM
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Newsflash: people get defensive when you act aggressively. If the person you are requesting something from asks you to act more calmly ('? why the agressive tone'), why don't you do that? All of this wouldn't happen if, when requested, she simply explained her objection.
Unless, of course, your purpose is not to convince the other side to take down the video, but make as much of a scene as you can.
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by kaolinite on Thursday March 22, 2012 @12:52PM
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Really don't like how Shanley went about this, although the responses from Christian were very unprofessional. Sexism issues aside, no matter how angry you become, having a tantrum doesn't solve your problem. With an issue like this it's best to complain privately and then, if you don't receive an adequate response, consider going public with it. It's especially unfair in this case as Geeklist are getting bad PR when the video wasn't their fault.
Still, this is a good example of how NOT to handle a complaint. Both sides are at fault here, IMO.
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by kmm on Thursday March 22, 2012 @01:16PM
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Because of the behaviour of both male and female participators in this "discussion", I don't know to whom Charles Arthur refers to as sexist. The men act like typical chauvinistic males as one would call them, and the women sounds very entitled and arrogant, spouting typical feminist nonsense. Both are in the wrong, one maybe more than the other.
In any case, this doesn't really fit on HN I think.
Re:OH HAI SEXISM
by rdg on Thursday March 22, 2012 @01:07PM
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Let everyone rant about whatever they think is wrong without involving their employers. It's not like she was campaigning against them. They just wanted to silence her all along.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3739913
Perhaps it was the title? Almost makes a case for the reverse of HN's policy on using the original article title.
Flagging something do to a perceived "possible flamewar" is no better than lame use of fallacies to discount such a commonplace and pregnant problem.
Flagging might explain disappearing, but does it explain that the front page is all out-of-order?
Unless, of course, your purpose is not to convince the other side to take down the video, but make as much of a scene as you can.
They could have handled it a lot better. Bringing her employers into it? Etc.
Still, this is a good example of how NOT to handle a complaint. Both sides are at fault here, IMO.
In any case, this doesn't really fit on HN I think.