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Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by runnerup on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:01AM (#37391743)
Another solution is having a proper bicycle lock. Yes, they’re heavy but I bike around with Kryptonites largest and thickest U-lock, as well as sometimes with a 25-lb 18mm motorcycle chain for the bicycle.

I do think the food delivery model should only work for customers willing to pay delivery people $25+/hr, especially considering you’re not just paying what should be a living wage for labor but also renting the capital that the delivery person brings to the job (car, bicycle, locks, etc)

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by passwordoops on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:03AM (#37391774)
If you're paid per delivery, then you don't want to faff about wasting time locking and unlocking a bike every single time
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by bombcar on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:09AM (#37391864)
And if you're a thief (not all thieves are just random people walking by) you will KNOW that someone who just jumped off a bike and locked it will not be back for a certain time, and tossing the bike into a truck, lock and all, could be a moment's time.

So now you need to lock it to something, causing even more time lost.

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by reaperman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:13AM (#37391903)
That's what I did when I did bicycle deliveries. Yes it was a pain, but I considered it part of the job. But I was working for an individual pizza shop which did a good job making the job worthwhile overall and paid me well enough for my time and this sort of "extra effort".
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by bombcar on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:20AM (#37392005)
And you likely had "downtime" when waiting at the shop for an order to deliver; these delivery people are often servicing an almost infinite number of orders and shops, and the next order is just an app click away.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by reaperman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:26AM (#37392118)
Sort of. I'd help out around the pizza shop if there wasn't a bicycle delivery to be done. I could handle any of the other positions in the shop as well. But yes, there was generally plenty of downtime, other than maybe a 2-4 hour super rush period around lunch or dinner some days.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by bombcar on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:30AM (#37392186)
Much of the current "labor complaints" in general come from the maximization that doesn't "exist on paper" - jobs often involved "downtime" (even if you have slogans like "if you can lean, you can clean") and a few hours each day of absolute panic crunch-time.

Now we're becoming quite capable of optimizing it so that the panic crunch-time is the entire shift (and if it isn't you make less than minimum wage) via these "Silicon Valley gig apps".

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by mrguyorama on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:39PM (#37395935)
Now imagine the pizza shop put you in a race with another delivery driver, and the loser was going to be banned from delivering and making that extra money.

Because that's the reality these delivery apps set up.

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by bombcar on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:19PM (#37396447)
Isn't this the plot of Snow Crash?
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by reaperman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:11AM (#37391887)
Yeah, these gig workers need to be paid enough to cover the time for faffing about with locks that are large enough to deter thieves for 10 minutes or so. I doubt they are, which drives these conflicts.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by mrguyorama on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:41PM (#37395961)
The problem is more than just payment, but the worker competition dynamic the apps are built around. It doesn't matter if you are paid handsomely per order delivered, including ample time and effort to properly lock everything up or truly do anything the customer wants and is willing to tip for, as long as the company pushes more orders to the people delivering faster, it will force a race to the bottom in service quality.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by simiones on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:01AM (#37391752)
No lock can withstand a determined thief.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by Zambyte on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:14AM (#37391923)
But there are locks that can withstand a determined thief who have a budget lower than the value of the bike for a few minutes.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by simiones on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:11AM (#37392738)
Would these locks actually cost less than the bike itself?
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by runnerup on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:15AM (#37392795)
I usually spend more on my lock and chains than I do on my bicycle. The bicycle may only cost $100-300 but I don’t have to buy it 4+ times if it’s never stolen.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by ch4s3 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:14AM (#37391918)
Kryptonites largest and thickest U-lock gives way to a battery powered angle grinder in about 2 minutes.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by runnerup on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:18AM (#37391977)
I didn’t realize that. Thought it was 5-10 minutes. Thanks. Sounds like the bicycle delivery system is fundamentally broken then.
Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by hacoo on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:27AM (#37392995)
True but, angle grinders make a lot if noise and very conspicuous sparks. Of course thieves will still do it if they can get away with it, but it’s not a very quick or stealthy method.

Picking the lock, in the other hand, is pretty fast and won’t attract much attention. Thief just needs to be sophisticated enough to have the correct picking tool and practice with it a bit.

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by dahart on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:06AM (#37392663)
> I bike around with Kryptonites largest and thickest U-lock

Oh you might want to visit the Lock Picking Lawyer’s YouTube channel today… he’s tested all the U-locks and picks them open in 30-60 seconds.

https://youtu.be/fckVKa4K4Ps?si=Rwujt_k-QF-QYs4w

https://youtu.be/jZtNEC1uGg4?si=KMZJnogntWmMB_fA

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by runnerup on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:14AM (#37392780)
I do follow LPL, love the channel. I’ve never been worried about bike thieves picking locks, I’ve never seen or heard of them doing that. I’ve only seen/heard of them them using destructive methods, typically bolt cutters.

If the average bike thief gets as good at picking locks at LPL, we’re very screwed!

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by itslennysfault on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @11:58AM (#37393558)
I haven't heard of this being common (sorta surprisingly), but you can get a battery angle grinder for $40 these days and it'll go through literally any bike lock that exists in seconds.

Maybe it's not common because it is VERY loud and sparkly.

Re:Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers... by reaperman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:30PM (#37394129)
I feel like it would be pretty tricky on an 18-22mm thick chain without clamping them in some kind of vice. These are nearly impractically heavy (30-40 lbs for a 6' chain), but I have carried them around on my bike sometimes, and will often keep one at the rack at work and one on the rack at home, and haven't seen anyone try to get into them.

I think if a chain that thick wobbles it would just break the angle grinder blade?