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Re:Locking up corpses to keep them from escaping by defrost on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:24AM (#37389958)
I don't the specifiic background here and it sounds very much as though neither do you so very many things are possible here (that have been true elsewhere).

> And they were fine waiting eighteen years?

Dunno, possibly somebody dug a well twenty years ago, found bones, they were investigated, and now some infrastructure needs to go through - I have no idea.

> We have an abundance of data about the seventeenth century.

We have an abundance of partial data about the seventeenth century, as I mentioned, as the article mentions, these are unrecorded unconsecrated burials - official town parish records are sort of complete (no instagram photos for example) for some of the population (rich well to do parishioners (oh, actually, kind of like instagram)), blank slates OR biased takes on others (the poor, the not our church folk, any others we don't talk about).

As I mentioned, physical evidence acts to ground truth "History" (that which is written but may have gaps | be incomplete | be biased).

> but this revenant nonsense feels rather trivial and exploitative.

Media sources like to play up this stuff, sure, and that's what one outlet is reporting on, yes.

Back to the archeology work which appear to be looking at and recording everthing; should they record or leave out that some of the bodies appear to be chained and detained in various ways? Should they be noting any related customs and beliefs of the times that might relate to these practices?

> For comparison, the seventeenth century is around when you start seeing colonizers taking home bodies of the natives and displaying them. That has started to get some serious blowback, and I don't see this story as being massively better.

Oooh, I do - I definitely do.

I'm far happier seeing Europeans digging up the graves of their own ancestors on their own grounds than I am seeing Europeans coming over here and cutting off the heads of my great grandparents "for science".

Damn near impossible getting any of them back, to be honest, and the archeologist skill sets are handy for some of those recovered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhumation_of_Yagan%27s_head

Re:Locking up corpses to keep them from escaping by boomboomsubban on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @07:23AM (#37390281)
We agree that neither of us know what the possible aim is in this excavation.

They should note the conditions they found the corpses in if they are doing this, with citations to why they think the conditions were like that, but I don't see why they're doing this. The argument that they could always learn more works just as well as a justification for digging up bodies buried in our lifetime too, some of which are also undocumented burials.

>I'm far happier seeing Europeans digging up the graves of their own ancestors on their own grounds

That's an improvement, but then taking pictures of the bodies and publishing them in American publications with a worldwide audience makes it nearly as bad. A Polish person making a spectacle out of a Polish corpse is better than a British person doing it, but they're pretty similar.

Re:Locking up corpses to keep them from escaping by defrost on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @07:57AM (#37390524)
Graveyards very frequently need to be moved .. that's been part of the European tradition of christian burial for at least a thousand years .. with catacombs in major cities being resting places for bodies until the flesh melts away and bones are gathered and stacked .. occasionally made into 'artworks' in ossuaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary

Now, there's some spectacle.

Clearly(?) it's not in line with your specific value system that a chandelier of bones is a respectful treatment of soul less body parts.

I do get the impression that it is part of your belief system that others should abide by your mortuary practices and that you get upset if others don't behave in the manner you wish them too.

That seems worse than what is happening here in this story.

Still, at least you're not projecting the mortuary rites of the South Fore upon us all.

Re:Locking up corpses to keep them from escaping by boomboomsubban on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @09:17AM (#37391212)
The first thing I said was I don't find the body sacred. However this family was so worried about their child being unentombed they padlocked him to the casket. Sure, this wasn't what they imagined when they padlocked him, but they wanted him to stay buried.

Making art out of the bones would be better than parading the corpse around saying "look at how silly their beliefs were."

Re:Locking up corpses to keep them from escaping by defrost on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @09:33AM (#37391424)
Somebody didn't want the child getting up and out of the grave of it's own accord, yes.

(allegedly)

The question whether that was the parents, the wider family, the "villagers", .. remains open (I would presume).

Either way, for whatever unkown reason the bodies are being moved, I see no signs that they are being disinterned into chairs and paraded about the town square (something literally happens with the dead in some cultures that you have liturally referenced) .. just the careful, respectful, recording and logging of sites by archeologists.

The issues comes with whether their work should be done or not.

And then with whether it should be on the public record or not.

And lastly with whether media should trawl those records for sensational content or not.

Where is it you draw the line .. I can live without the trashy popular coverage myself.