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Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:43PM (#37384857)
There's a difference between "this will eventually stop being usable" and "we enforced a hard cutoff for software updates, including security patches, which artificially forced a device to stop being usable". I'm typing this on a decade-old laptop that's perfectly good even though its manufacturer has long-since given up on it, precisely because it just keeps getting software updates regardless (AIUI, even Windows would still support it, so a normal user would be fine too).
Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by INTPenis on Monday September 04, 2023 @05:39PM (#37385361)
You're not most laptop users though. I try to take care of my hardware, even though I've been averaging 1 laptop every 3 years the past 15. I have friends with old thinkpads too, but I don't think they represent most laptop users.

So if a school buys 100 thinkpads, and 100 chromebooks, how long do you think they will last?

They will all become e-waste sooner or later, and most likely sooner in an education environment where they're being lent out to pupils.

Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday September 04, 2023 @06:20PM (#37385678)
I have relatives who run Windows and who I believe are "normal" users who tend to replace laptops on a much longer cycle than that.

> So if a school buys 100 thinkpads, and 100 chromebooks, how long do you think they will last?

As things currently stand, both will suffer hardware failures at alarming rates because children are terrifying and have very active lifestyles, but the thinkpads will only stop being useful when the hardware dies, while the Chromebooks will be artificially capped by their software, resulting in the thinkpads outliving them.

> I fail to see how pointing the finger at chromebooks specifically is more than a distraction.

Because Chromebooks force the machine to become e-waste regardless of how worn the hardware is. Everything may suck, but they suck more and on purpose.

Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by kcartlidge on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:29AM (#37388521)
> I fail to see how pointing the finger at chromebooks specifically is more than a distraction.

They have a built-in kill switch. After pre-set number of years (from launch and not from purchase) they become useless to schools.

Macs and PCs only die when they die, not when they hit their cut-off date. At that point the other devices have resale values and 'expired' Chromebooks don't.

> There is a bigger problem at play here, a massive culture of consumption.

Then pointing the finger at Chromebooks is extremely relevant, as enforced lifetime limits lead to (relatively) rapidly replaced devices with no future beyond landfill and more consumption.

Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by Ferret7446 on Monday September 04, 2023 @05:13PM (#37385139)
My understanding is that the cutoff is determined by the component manufacturers refusing to provide firmware updates. Microsoft does not directly support all hardware configurations, and manufacturers have more incentive to support Windows/general purpose hardware long-term. ChromeOS has much lower market share so manufacturers have no incentive beyond what Google can incentivize monetarily (i.e., pay them to do it at a loss).
Re:Chromebooks Were Once a Good Deal for Schools. Now They’r... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday September 04, 2023 @06:22PM (#37385688)
It's also a matter of decoupling; a machine running Windows (for example) might have ancient firmware, but at least it can run a current version of Chrome and Windows, which means that it degrades gracefully.