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Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by d4rkp4ttern on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:19AM (#37379384)
I’ve haven’t tried the glove80 but suspect I won’t like it because it doesn’t do QWERTY and the columnar layout may not work for me.

However over the years I’ve purchased many ergo kbs: ergo dox, kinesis and variants, and I just could not get into any of those.

Until I got the UHK (Ultimate Hacking Keyboard) , and I absolutely love it. It retains the QWERTY + regular (staggered?) layout, has split/angled halves, and thumb clusters, all of which can be programmed with an excellent software.

Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by mpsprd on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:30AM (#37379463)
Columnar patterns are painful to muscle memory.

I personally use an ergodox I built, and I will never type fast like I can on a staggered layout. I also had to fix a typing mistake (I typed c with my index on staggered, and it became 'b')

In the end it's the split that saved my wrists. I believe everyone should type on one, whatever the model.

Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by xps on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:59AM (#37379649)
It seems that any layout is supported and that it comes with the QWERTY layout by default.
Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by d4rkp4ttern on Monday September 04, 2023 @08:25AM (#37379817)
You're right. It is qwerty but the columnar is what I meant would be a big obstacle
Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by webkike on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:47AM (#37380985)
Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis
Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by d4rkp4ttern on Monday September 04, 2023 @01:34PM (#37382804)
With the UHK I am already having difficulty typing directly on my MacBook. With the ortholinear this might only make switching back and forth harder. But it is intriguing.
Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by danieldk on Monday September 04, 2023 @02:04PM (#37383171)
Or easier. I have switched to column stagger pretty quickly after going to ergo keyboards and I don't have trouble typing on my MacBook. I only dread it now :).
Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by onetom on Monday September 04, 2023 @02:45PM (#37383556)
u mean horizontally staggered doesn't make sense?

ortholinear is the Planck EZ (https://blog.zsa.io/2307-goodbye-planck-ez/) for example.

this Glove80 is vertically staggered (or as they said in the review article: it has column stagger), NOT ortholinear.

Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by wnolens on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:05AM (#37381167)
Same, love my UHK. The mod-layer on my thumb has given me so much.

My only gripes are the tenting legs sometimes close when I shift the keyb around on my desk. And it's not wireless (I don't have time to mod).

Re:Review: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard by cole-k on Monday September 04, 2023 @02:04PM (#37383175)
Anecdotally, I did not have too much of an issue switching to a columnar layout - I would give it a shot if you were interested.

I've been using a Moonlander for about a year. I feel like it took at most a week for me to adjust and to attain my current typing speed. I probably type a little slower on it (maybe less accurately too), but my rate is passable (80-100 WPM). I've recently tried a Kinesis Advantage 2 for a few weeks and did not find that adjusting to it was very difficult.

Maybe I'm the odd one out here. Edit: having seen other comments here, I suspect I might be. Apologies for making switching seem trivial.