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Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by blincoln on Sunday September 03, 2023 @01:30PM (#37372231)
I think the safe default assumption is that if the ambulance driver didn't use the right lane, there was probably a good reason. Clearly the firetruck driver agreed with them. Maybe traffic was moving so quickly that they'd have to accelerate hard and risk hurting the patient, or they were concerned about getting rear-ended. Regardless, Cruise's vehicle clearly was at fault for not getting out of the way.
Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by Retric on Sunday September 03, 2023 @01:41PM (#37372365)
The good reason was likely the patient not being secured and thus they wouldn’t have left for a significant fraction of those 90 seconds in either case.

The cruse driver could still have slowed their exit by a few seconds even without being a significant obstacle.

Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by Waterluvian on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:01PM (#37372599)
Drives me mad when there’s armchair bickering about “well you could have just done X.”

Doesn’t matter. If there’s a law about getting out of the way, offering maximum space and choices to emergency vehicles, and you didn’t do that, you failed and you broke the law.

One can definitely bicker about the details, but it doesn’t change anything about the fact that the vehicle failed to obey the law.

Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by threatofrain on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:32PM (#37372953)
> Doesn’t matter. If there’s a law about getting out of the way, offering maximum space and choices to emergency vehicles, and you didn’t do that, you failed and you broke the law.

Then we can talk about whether the vehicle operator failed to obey the law, but I think we're talking about something far more serious, which is whether Cruise indirectly killed a man.

In determining whether Cruise has moral responsibility over this death, it is then natural for citizens to look over the video footage and ask what's going on.

Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by Waterluvian on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:35PM (#37372981)
Yeah, not going to argue the lightning rod of a headline even if it was careful not to actually say “Cruise killed a man.”
Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by bee_rider on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:32PM (#37372949)
The fact that there was traffic flowing to the right seems to indicate that the scenario was such that people weren’t stopping and pulling over.
Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by jedberg on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:04PM (#37372616)
If there was a reason that the ambulance didn't move right, then wouldn't that same reason exist preventing the taxi from moving right? Even moreso since they don't have lights and sirens like the ambulance?
Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by shepardrtc on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:38PM (#37373019)
In many places it's illegal to pass on the right. I assume the driver probably didn't want to get disciplined.
Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by giantg2 on Sunday September 03, 2023 @02:12PM (#37372721)
"Maybe traffic was moving so quickly that they'd have to accelerate hard and risk hurting the patient,"

This shouldn't be an issue - traffic is required to yield.

"Regardless, Cruise's vehicle clearly was at fault for not getting out of the way."

Yes, at fault for not getting out of the way. The article is a little misleading with it's insinuating that the patient death was somehow related.

Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by rafram on Sunday September 03, 2023 @09:48PM (#37376394)
> traffic is required to yield.

And traffic is required to yield to me when I step into the road, but I still wouldn’t start crossing if I saw a car coming with no sign of stopping.

Re:SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked ... by giantg2 on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:18PM (#37384565)
Yeah, you don't have lights, sirens, and a large vehicle either. Really should be a non-issue in this instance.