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Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by bjourne on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:23AM (#37360472)
"Record low 2022 Antarctic sea ice led to catastrophic breeding failure of emperor penguins"

"This is the first recorded incident of a widespread breeding failure of emperor penguins that is clearly linked with large-scale contractions in sea ice extent."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-00927-x

Published and peer-reviewed. But according to you it is clickbait?

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by chengiz on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:33AM (#37360540)
Yes? Title has no mention about specific regions. Abstract mentions specific regions. Even your comment is clickbait: you only include the title and a sentence that does not mention specific regions, despite you being aware of it, since you presumably read the abstract.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by madmulita on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:51AM (#37360636)
Let's stop pretending "peer-reviewed" means anything, please.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by AlexandrB on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:54AM (#37360658)
Means a lot more than a comment on Hacker News.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by catchnear4321 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @08:56AM (#37361105)
your comment has been peer-reviewed.

it was found to be subjective and unsupported.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by andrewprock on Saturday September 02, 2023 @09:11AM (#37361192)
Peer review raises the bar, but that bar is quite low, and not high enough to ensure anything like scientific truth.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by throwaw12 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @09:36AM (#37361416)
I will leave it here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/19/stanford-pre...

I guess someone "peer reviewed" all his papers

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by appplication on Saturday September 02, 2023 @10:24AM (#37361788)
This is a bad faith and ignorant take. As with anything at the edge of our knowledge, it’s not bulletproof, but peer review certainly does mean plenty. It is one of the most rigorous standards we have for the validity of observation and theories.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by peyton on Saturday September 02, 2023 @04:45PM (#37365379)
I think reproducibility is the gold standard. It’s hard to call peer review as practiced today “rigorous” when it comes to discerning truth.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by madmulita on Saturday September 02, 2023 @05:18PM (#37365604)
Is it? If I'm not mistaken this is exactly what journal editors, and reviewers, claim each and every time a new scandal blows up.
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by jmye on Saturday September 02, 2023 @03:14PM (#37364566)
Yes, a comment on a website that just says “no” is way more truthy and should be taken at face value. Anything published and peer reviewed can just be assumed to be false.

Great call. Thanks for really bringing up the level of discourse.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by hirako2000 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:55AM (#37360665)
Nature is not immune and has been leveraging clickbait articles as of not so late.

A significant portion of peer reviewed papers are biased, poorly backed claims making junk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by misnome on Saturday September 02, 2023 @08:34AM (#37360933)
This article highlights some (known) deficiencies, but doesn't seem to remotely support your assertion of “significant portion” being junk.

It also seems extremely likely that such things vary wildly by field, journal, etc.

Which is to say that throwing the whole thing out in preference to a completely unsourced and anonymous comment on HN seems, frankly, idiotic.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by hirako2000 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @11:33AM (#37362417)
They do vary wildly yes.

Even within the same publication.

Nature has historically proven to be one of the top journal. Not taking that away from them. But being published by nature and peer reviewed does not mean such article cannot use a clickbait title and/or be non scientific.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by jmye on Saturday September 02, 2023 @03:15PM (#37364574)
So you concede that saying a “significant portion” was an outright lie with no basis in reality?
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by hirako2000 on Sunday September 03, 2023 @01:00PM (#37371967)
No I wouldn't concede that.

I took some precaution and made sure to not mention an estimate of what that portion represents. I think it fair to call it significant given it isn't breaking news.

Blame me for not providing references proving it is based on some interpretation of reality not only I, have.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by bjourne on Saturday September 02, 2023 @10:05AM (#37361651)
Can you explain which of the article's claims you believe are unsubstantiated?
Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by hirako2000 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @11:27AM (#37362360)
I was not referring to the article claims but to the argument that it was "peer reviewed"

As if that meant nature or the title couldn't be a clickbait, or the conclusion/claims dubious. They can be, that's all I called out.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by bradley13 on Saturday September 02, 2023 @04:28PM (#37365222)
The thing is: all five colonies are close together, on the peninsula. So "widespread" is false, incorrect, a lie, pick your favorite term.

So, yes, clickbait.

Re:Not a single emperor penguin chick survived spring in par... by peyton on Saturday September 02, 2023 @04:43PM (#37365357)
Article says there are 600–3000 penguins per colony. Charitably, let’s say the authors studied 15,000 penguins. Total penguin population estimate: 600,000. So this survey counted at most 2.5% of all penguins by reasonable estimates.

“Not a single emperor penguin chick survived” seems unsupported.