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Re:12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef by bell-cot on Thursday August 31, 2023 @08:40AM (#37336251)
THIS. The HN Title:

> 12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef

The article's full title:

> How a mere 12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef, creating significant health and environmental impacts

The first para:

> A new study has found that 12% of Americans are responsible for eating half of all beef consumed on a given day, a finding that may help consumer groups and government agencies craft educational messaging around the negative health and environmental impacts of beef consumption.

The quality and quantity of actual facts heads downhill fast from there. Even ignoring the article's dreary left-wing political agenda...if a mentally-competent grown-up actually wanted beneficial (for the climate & environment) changes in American eating habits (vs. yet more performative activism, and sermons to the choir), then he might take into consideration the huge number of Americans who identify as being on the opposing side of that sensitive culture war issue, and plan accordingly.

I have yet to see any sign, anywhere, of that last bit.

Re:12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef by myshpa on Thursday August 31, 2023 @08:59AM (#37336475)
> How a mere 12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef, creating significant health and environmental impacts

110 characters, way over HN's 80 chars limit

> rest of the drivel

Your opinions are a result of targeted propaganda. Try to think for yourself.

https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric...

Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind...

Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay

https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow...

The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change

Some real facts:

https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/sustainability...

... study estimates it would take just over 5 Earths to support the human population if everyone’s consumption patterns were similar to the average American ...

Do you know how many cattle we have?

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204892120

The total mammal biomass:

- livestock (≈630 Mt)

- humans (≈390 Mt)

- wild marine mammals (≈40 Mt)

- terrestrial wild mammals (≈20 Mt)

Do you know how much land animal agriculture occupies (cattle being the most land-demanding)?

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/10/World-Map-by-Land...

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

Do you know that animal species have experienced a 70% decline in just last 50 years, that we're driving nearly one million species to extinction, that we're in the sixth mass extinction which we'll manage in just 100 years probably, and that cattle is the main driver of both deforestation and biodiversity loss?

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-glob...

Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-7...

Animal populations experience average decline of almost 70% since 1970, report reveals

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01448-4

Humans are driving one million species to extinction

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-climate-crisis-biodiversity-ap...

The climate crisis and biodiversity crisis can't be approached separately

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/brv.12974

More losers than winners: investigating Anthropocene defaunation through the diversity of population trends .. of 70,000 monitored species, some 48% are experiencing population declines from anthropogenic pressures ... ... global biodiversity is entering a mass extinction, with ecosystem heterogeneity and functioning, biodiversity persistence, and human well-being under increasing threat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

The biomass decrease is 80% for marine mammals, 50% for plants and 15% for fish. Currently, livestock make up 60% of the biomass of all mammals on earth, followed by humans (36%) and wild mammals (4%). As for birds, 70% are domesticated, such as poultry, whereas only 30% are wild.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2216573120

Farmland practices are driving bird population decline across Europe

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26231772/

Biodiversity conservation: The key is reducing meat consumption

https://xkcd.com/1338/

https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation

https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/weve-lost-35-pe...

https://www.globalwitness.org/en/blog/terrible-trade-burger-...

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8622

The drivers and impacts of Amazon forest degradation

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/argentina-lost-one-f...

Argentina lost one-fifth of its Atlantic Forest in the last four decades

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/19/colombia...

Cattle, not coca, drive deforestation of the Amazon in Colombia – report

https://earth.org/major-companies-responsible-for-deforestat...

13 Major Companies Responsible for Deforestation

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/05/3-million-hectares-of-colo...

3 million hectares of Colombian Amazon deforested for illegal pasture: Study

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/whats-driving-deforestation

What's Driving Deforestation?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/02/more-tha...

More than 800m Amazon trees felled in six years to meet beef demand

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/27/destruct...

Destruction of world’s pristine rainforests soared in 2022 despite Cop26 pledge

https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-023-02599-1/index.ht...

Trouble in the Amazon - "we are killing this ecosystem"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06391-z

Tropical forests are approaching critical temperature thresholds

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471

Feeding 10 billion people by 2050 within planetary limits may be achievable

A global shift towards healthy and more plant-based diets, halving food loss and waste, and improving farming practices and technologies are required to feed 10 billion people sustainably by 2050, a new study finds

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/21/14449

How Compatible Are Western European Dietary Patterns to Climate Targets?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03565-5

What humanity should eat to stay healthy and save the planet

Re:12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef by bell-cot on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:26AM (#37336829)
Lordy...

> way over HN's 80 chars

Please assume that I know about HN's character limit.

> > rest of the drivel

Please do not quote me as saying thing which I did not say.

> Your opinions are a result of... {mile-tall wall of text and links}

I don't think you have any idea of what my actual opinions are. But you appear to be a pro at "more is better" performative activism in the current culture war. Hopefully that was your intention.

Re:12% of Americans eat half the nation's beef by myshpa on Thursday August 31, 2023 @12:17PM (#37339615)
> Your opinions are a result of... {mile-tall wall of text and links}

TLDR: Insisting on a particular diet, regardless of how destructive it is, is selfish, short-sighted, and unfair to the rest of the population, to future generations, and to the world we should be taking care of.