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Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by infecto on Thursday August 31, 2023 @08:29AM (#37336145)
The trade off being that generally Canada pays half as much and most tech high skilled jobs are going to be in metro areas that Canada has few of. Top that with a worse housing crises than what we see in the US.

I also think your argument would be more constructive without some of the strong language you use. For myself it takes away from a constructive conversation and reads poorly.

Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by winter_blue on Thursday August 31, 2023 @08:34AM (#37336194)
The higher salaries in the US probably has to do with the concentration of highly-successful tech companies in the US. Not just FAANG et al, but the many small high-revenue-generating companies in the US. There probably isn't as much of concentration of high-revenue successful tech companies in Canada. The lower salaries in Canada probably has more to do with that, than with Canada being more welcoming towards high-skilled immigrants.

I used strong language in my comment earlier, since I've lived in the past for over a decade without basic rights in the US, and since moved to Canada. So this is real and personal to me. Whenever I talked about not having rights in the US on HN, people on HN responded with intense hatred saying things that effectively amounted to "get the fuck out of this country you brown piece of shit", "we hate you", "you deserve to have no rights", "you have no right to expect to have any rights" etc (no, they didn't use those exact words--I am paraphrasing their sentiment--but they expressed an equivalent level of hatred using politer words). You can dig through my comment history to find those comments. To me, it was oddly reminiscent of the hatred white Americans must have shown black people during the Jim Crow era, or Germans towards Jews after the Nuremberg laws had been passed. I just didn't expect so much extreme loathing and hatred toward immigrants to be so incredibly prevalent on HN.

Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by infecto on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:10AM (#37336624)
Certainly, I won’t even begin to speculate why salaries are different and I am sure there are more high paying jobs there now but last time I had the chance to look they were always drastically lower for the same company that had locations in both Canada and the US. And often times the cost of living were higher in Canada when accounting for housing.

I am sorry you had the experience you did and I make no argument about your experience. I think it’s hard to push for change in immigration law when there is no shortage of skilled immigrants coming into the US.

Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by winter_blue on Thursday August 31, 2023 @05:47PM (#37344097)
> when there is no shortage of skilled immigrants coming into the US

Where did you get this idea from? Ask anybody hiring managers in tech (who are willing to pay well), and they’ll say there’s nothing but a shortage. And I’m sure there’s multiple other fields besides tech with a serious shortage.

Employers requested 758,944 visas for skilled workers (H1B), and the U.S. government due to congressional limits, can only issue 85,000 and will have to reject 673,994 applications.

Source: https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by infecto on Friday September 01, 2023 @07:24AM (#37349366)
Not sure you understand what I mean or we might be conflating ideas here. Probably best to back away since I know it’s a powerful topic for you but at least let me explain this part.

Your general thesis has been that immigrants are treated as unequals without rights by the US government. I am not arguing if that is true or not. I am simply stating that those processes are hard to change when there is no shortage of people wanting to come to America. There is not a supply shortage of people wanting to come, so there is no incentive to make the process easier/better. Adding proof with your statement that we annually reject more applications than accept.

Re:A serious case for dynamic scoring (immigration) by winter_blue on Friday September 01, 2023 @07:56AM (#37349631)
Yea, you're not wrong about that.

Just because there is demand, doesn't mean it's morally right to treat people badly, and to restrict their rights and freedoms.

Canada is an excellent counter-example to this.

Canada gives most people moving to Canada their full rights and freedom, unlike the US. From a purely moral point of view, that's highly commendable.

There is huge demand (and millions of people willing) to move to wealthy countries the Middle East, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait UAE, Qatar, etc. That demand and desire exists mostly due to higher salaries there.

There's no reason the US should treat immigrants worse than Qatar or Saudi Arabia (I would say the conditions of the H-2 work visa and especially the undocumented are probably worse than in some countries in the middle east), but the US (or at least Republicans[1] in the US) chooses to do so out of general disdain and hatred towards the concept of granting permanent residence, and integrating new people.

[1] I'm clarifying with Republicans here, since many blue (Democratic) states have indicated they'd like the welcome immigrants, Democratic politicians have introduced legislation that is immigrant-friendly; and all of these efforts have only been opposed to and blocked by Republicans.