I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had thoughts about it

Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:02PM (#37327246)

Our 15 minute standups were about an hour, sometimes longer. The project manager aka scrum master spent at least 80% of those minutes talking. They were scheduled for 11:30am, right when everyone was either wanting to go to lunch, or for people not taking lunch probably the most productive middle part of the day. For those who went to lunch afterward, they never got to start before 12:30pm, and were out to at least 1:30pm. So it sort of wrecked the start of the afternoon too. Not that it didn't wreck the lead-up either, because if you have that crap looming over you at 10:45am you sort of shut down any important thinking you need to do... best not get caught up in what you are doing, because if you're 1 minute late for the standup, there's hell to pay.

But, what little progress there was, was easily measured. That seems to be the important part.

Lunatics run this asylum.

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by t43562 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:13PM (#37327431)

So it wasn't scrum. It was just bullshitters using the word and doing what they wanted to do anyhow.

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:15PM (#37327465)

No True Scotsman?

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by t43562 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:28PM (#37327634)

That argument can be used either way around so it's fairly useless.

In reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible. They're always going to pretend they care but do what suits them.

It can be from the most basic thing: the customer doesn't want to pay what it really costs to get something good but can be made to pay for something that's going to turn out to be crap in the end.

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:55PM (#37328056)

> n reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible.

If you're confessing that it's contrary to human nature and/or the engineering thought process, then I humbly accept your concession in this debate.

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by t43562 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:33PM (#37328643)

That's just a deliberate misinterpretation. How can you argue that way with any honesty?

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by WorldMaker on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:55PM (#37328995)

No True Scrum Master

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:53PM (#37328032)

There may be a mythical "scrum" out there somewhere, but I and no one I've ever known has seen it. As much as I love a No True Scotsman fallacy, if this is the only thing people have ever seen and have ever attached the label "scrum" to...

Then that is what scrum is.

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Re:I wrote, “Scrum is a cancer,” and the Internet had though... by t43562 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:32PM (#37328610)

Well you don't know me but I am not a scrum master and I was on a team that had a great experience with it and are all still friends years after we all went to other jobs. It was the great experience of my life.

I know how it worked and why every team I've been on since has not been able to make it work and it all boils down to: 1) internal sabotage - an influential developer does everything they can to shit on it. 2) Management interference - developers could not change the things we needed to change to make it fit our circumstances.

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