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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by michaelt on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:51AM (#37319257)
> the EFF explicitly calls out the government for failing to enforce existing laws which would have shut down Kiwifarms

Eh, maybe, but don't most of these laws mostly fail to work across international borders anyway?

I mean, I haven't seen many cryptolocker authors appearing before US courts. And wikileaks remains online despite the best efforts of US authorities.

Surely anything that could shut down or block kiwifarms could do the same to wikileaks and pirate bay and sci-hub?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by foven on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:21AM (#37319778)
The operator of the kiwifarms is himself a US citizen with a US business. It is an advertised fact that if a police force comes after or shuts him down with a legal reason, it will cease to exist and he himself has stated he wouldn't operate it out of any other country than the US.

Pirate bay and sci-hub get affected by copyright law more than anything else and, to the best of my knowledge, kiwifarms is protected by section 230 in that respect and has always complied with legitimate takedown requests.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:57PM (#37329017)
>and has always complied with legitimate takedown requests.

Then why do people who issue takedown requests get plastered all over the site and harassed?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by foven on Thursday August 31, 2023 @05:53AM (#37334708)
Transparency I assume. I understand the admin likes free speech and maintains some transparency, to explain why content has been removed, and giving away your information is always a risk in legal issues.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by thrwaway1234567 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @08:52PM (#37331165)
I think Kiwifarms is (borderline) criminal. Null, the admin of the site, outright said he was ok with users posting stolen financial information, such as Social Security Numbers and Credit cards. Source: https://archive.is/0fOcS . There are many examples of private financial information being posted on the site.

I would describe them as operating with a paper thin layer of "plausible" deniability. Officially you aren't allowed to harass or interact with the targets. But posting their home address, stolen passwords, phone numbers, and information about relatives is all allowed. Obviously, if they didn't want their targets harassed, they wouldn't post that. Kiwifarms, now banned, official twitter page said their goal was “exploitation of the mentally handicapped for amusement purposes”. ( Source: https://archive.is/jYp5p ).

But even the rule against interacting with "lolcows" (called "cowtipping") is haphazardly enforced. For example, one user had sex with a "lolcow" and posted photos. The admin explicitly said they would allow the content to remain up: https://archive.is/zYnpK#35%

I could probably post many other examples. Null is entirely willing to host revenge porn on his website. He's also willing to host nudes that he knows were stolen by hackers.

People probably aren't going to want to send takedown requests, when that requires revealing their identity to a site that is known for doxing and harassing people.