News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by TechBro8615 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:18AM (#37317595)
I have a server and it's decentralized? Isn't that a contradiction of terms? Wake me up when my teammates and I can message each other from our mobile devices without the involvement of any other computer...
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by BaseballPhysics on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:57AM (#37317853)
Just because you define "decentralized" as strictly "peer-to-peer" doesn't mean everyone does.

Wikipedia literally uses the word "decentralized" to describe the Fediverse, which would seem to violate your personal definition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse

> While a traditional social networking site will host all its content on servers owned by the parent company, the decentralized social media sites that make up the fediverse allow any individual or organization to host their own servers (referred to as an "instance").

Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by nvy on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:05AM (#37318615)
>Wake me up when my teammates and I can message each other from our mobile devices without the involvement of any other computer...

Routers are computers. You'll be waiting a long time.

Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by planede on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:29AM (#37319457)
You already can, apart from some DHT and bootstrapping stuff.

https://tox.chat/

https://jami.net/

I tried to like Jami, but it never worked right when I tried it. I didn't find a decent Android Tox client with video call, but it should work alright for text.

Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by Tha_14 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:20AM (#37320333)
Unfortunately we don't have any good clients for android that do videocalls properly(not even qtox on PC works that great). aTox is the only android client that was starting to get the proper features but the maintainer is busy with IRL stuff. You're right though, text and file transfers work pretty well and we are writing replacements for the existing code to make everything more reliable(and faster in the case of file transfers).
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by sourcepluck on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:54AM (#37320660)
In a similar boat to you. Is there something out there that:

+ is committed to free software + respects the users + none of the poisonous big tech giant companies involved + is cross-platform + does text, calls, videocalls, file-transfers + can be set-up "normally" by non-technical friends and family + is ideally all the other good things: lightweight, smooth, decentralised, p2p, private, secure

I certainly couldn't find it. I've tried tox, jami, xmpp, irc, matrix, etc. There are things that can be set-up with some effort and messing with servers and verifying devices and so on, but not things you can talk your mother through during a phone call without a great threshold for annoyance (sorry Ma).

Signal maybe comes closest, and is what I use, but they have a few (big) issues too.

Any tip-offs greatly appreciated.

Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by toastal on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:04AM (#37323261)
Signal… minus the phone number requirement and the primary Android/iOS device requirement and the NSA backdoor removed.
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by pferde on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @10:54AM (#37323074)
I would not recommend Tox anymore, as it is unmaintained - https://lists.tox.chat/pipermail/support/2023-August/000340....

It was a decent piece of tech, though!

Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by Tha_14 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:00PM (#37328129)
I think that you're refering to qTox(which is currebtly not being maintained). Tox, the protocol, continues development as usual.
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by pferde on Thursday August 31, 2023 @04:32AM (#37334131)
Really? I guess you guys are active elsewhere and not on the mailing lists, because those are as dead as a very dead thing. :)
Re:Jitsi.org has started requiring authentication by Tha_14 on Thursday August 31, 2023 @12:03PM (#37339360)
Well, I don't know if anyone else responds to the mailing lists anymore to be honest. You can still get in touch through IRC though. We are on libera currently(and dogfooding tox groupchats). #tox for user related questions and #toktok for development.

Edit: Also, development is happening on github: https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore