Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by EarlKing on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:14AM
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> It's been used by people to harass people in the real world.
And libraries have been used by people to learn effective methods to harass or harm others in the real world. Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries!
> I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem.
We already have such a law. It's called Section 230. Forum operators should not be subject to tortious interference, criminal harassment, or other manner of extrajudicial punishment because they choose to exercise speech that you find repugnant.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @01:59AM
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The operator of the forum has made harassing statements himself, and he has already lost his section 230 protections. The first lawsuit or prosecution that comes his way will take this into account.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by EarlKing on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:16AM
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Reporting what the "victims" themselves have said is not harassment. Reporting on the extralegal actions of these "victims" is also not harassment. If you have evidence of him engaging in actual harassment as legally defined then please share it as I'm sure those inclined to see him prosecuted would love to have that information. Don't worry... I'll wait.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:02PM
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There is a lot of dox on Kiwifarms and I am not linking directly to it and getting my HN account banned. You have to look for it yourself. Don't wait around.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by autoexec on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:26AM
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> Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries!
You can put that straw man away. I made it clear that I didn't think the site should be shut down. I was only saying that its content and impact shouldn't be misrepresented as mere gossip.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu...
by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:20AM
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To suggest that Kiwi Farms has been used to harass and terrorize more people than Twitter or Facebook is provably false, by orders of magnitude.
Kiwi Farms has been more than just gossip. It's been used by people to harass people in the real world. People there have taken things way too far in the past, and that behavior has been encouraged and supported by the culture of the site. I don't think the forum should be silenced, but it's simply not accurate to say that it's nothing more than online gossip. It has at times been the source of outright harassment and abuse. I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem.