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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by bollockss on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @10:48PM (#37317068)
> What's the argument against? Folks have been driven to suicide by targeted harassment and doxxing labeled "speech."

No they haven't, not on Kiwi Farms anyhow. This is a deliberate smear intended to justify any extrajudical action taken against the forum. The reality is that it's just a bunch of assholes gossiping about other assholes, and one asshole in particular is doing everything he can to eradicate the site because it has documented, amongst other horrible things, his confession of rape.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by autoexec on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @11:18PM (#37317262)
> The reality is that it's just a bunch of assholes gossiping about other assholes

Kiwi Farms has been more than just gossip. It's been used by people to harass people in the real world. People there have taken things way too far in the past, and that behavior has been encouraged and supported by the culture of the site. I don't think the forum should be silenced, but it's simply not accurate to say that it's nothing more than online gossip. It has at times been the source of outright harassment and abuse. I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by EarlKing on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:14AM (#37317573)
> It's been used by people to harass people in the real world.

And libraries have been used by people to learn effective methods to harass or harm others in the real world. Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries!

> I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem.

We already have such a law. It's called Section 230. Forum operators should not be subject to tortious interference, criminal harassment, or other manner of extrajudicial punishment because they choose to exercise speech that you find repugnant.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @01:59AM (#37318224)
The operator of the forum has made harassing statements himself, and he has already lost his section 230 protections. The first lawsuit or prosecution that comes his way will take this into account.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by EarlKing on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:16AM (#37318323)
Reporting what the "victims" themselves have said is not harassment. Reporting on the extralegal actions of these "victims" is also not harassment. If you have evidence of him engaging in actual harassment as legally defined then please share it as I'm sure those inclined to see him prosecuted would love to have that information. Don't worry... I'll wait.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:02PM (#37329085)
There is a lot of dox on Kiwifarms and I am not linking directly to it and getting my HN account banned. You have to look for it yourself. Don't wait around.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by autoexec on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:26AM (#37319119)
> Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries!

You can put that straw man away. I made it clear that I didn't think the site should be shut down. I was only saying that its content and impact shouldn't be misrepresented as mere gossip.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:20AM (#37318353)
To suggest that Kiwi Farms has been used to harass and terrorize more people than Twitter or Facebook is provably false, by orders of magnitude.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by zirgs on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:06AM (#37318622)
Sounds like any other social media site tbh. Exactly the same things happen on facebook, twitter and elsewhere.
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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by bollockss on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @11:10PM (#37317208)
It's just good anti-doxxing hygiene. Please do accept my sincere apologies that I failed to provide you with several years worth of other comments to stalk through.
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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by jubbajibba on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:46AM (#37317783)
You're probably being auto-flagged. Seems to be a feature intended to stop perpetually misbehaving users. Such as, ones who keep posting the same comment again and again and again for whatever weird obsessive reason. Or maybe it's just someone with very fast flagging fingers sweeping the new comments list.

> How about this then, I suggest, in order to both demonstrate freedom of speech and to entertain fans of KiwiFarms like content we create a KiwiFarms like site based on studying and publishing public facts on popular KiwiFarms members.

Sure, why not. Are there any potentially entertaining or ridiculous ones you have in mind, such that you feel it would be worth your efforts?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by habinero on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:15AM (#37318314)
^ Kiwifarmer astroturfing talking point.

Yes, they have absolutely tormented people into suicide. That sounds bad so they deny it.

When they want to appear harmless, they call it a "gossip" site. It's not. It's a hub for stalking and abuse.