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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by akira2501 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @07:03PM (#37315340)
> It feels like private companies are de facto writing the laws about what's allowed online and in society right now, and that it's almost become a loophole for censoring free speech on a whim.

This is why monopoly power is dangerous as without it you could just move to a more tolerant competitor and be on with your business. The courts almost never consider the "secondary markets" that exist around these behemoths, and how all of our interests and independence are significantly damaged by allowing these monopolies to merge into existence.

Of course, even this feels like the conversation they would _like_ you to have, because the other side I never see considered is what does it take to buy an "indulgence" from these companies? Is it easy? Is it often done? How often are these "scions of social justice" actually just "turning a blind eye?"

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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by yrro on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:23AM (#37319099)
> Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels

oh no how _terrible_

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by agentgumshoe on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:02AM (#37320175)
It's not that bit you need to check, it's the 'how' behind it.

'Inclusive' is also incredibly easy to abuse.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by digging on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:18AM (#37323510)
> 'Inclusive' is also incredibly easy to abuse.

How? Seems to me that, like with corporate accountability, you're either doing it and it's good or you're not doing it but lying and saying you are.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by agentgumshoe on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:31PM (#37330484)
Where are the boundaries of 'inclusive' ?
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by LawTalkingGuy on Thursday August 31, 2023 @11:50AM (#37339126)
Inclusive of who into what?

Comcast has an all-women Open Source Program Office, which sounds like a way to include females in engineering. But they define women as "females and males who want to be seen as female" which doesn't help women actually get jobs.

The Scottish National Party has sex-quotas to achieve more-equal representation by men and women, but they let men who claim to be women take these seats.

Are either actually inclusive? Are they inclusive of women? If you have a daughter, do either of those measures better her life.

And yet both actions meet the 'Social' criteria of ESG scores, and serve to boost a company's rankings and thus lower its interest rate on sustainability linked loans.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by agentgumshoe on Sunday September 03, 2023 @12:56AM (#37367832)
Nothing about 'affirmative action' is inclusive. People just see it as positive 'because minority.' It can not lead to a positive outcome longer term (even now, where all-female teams are now seen as a positive but all-male teams are a negative, regardless of context).

What should happen is across the board equality of opportunity. While making sure the opportunity is truly fair, focus on stamping out prejudice and 'isms. You can't force immediate changes, but you can remove the barriers to equality to let the changes happen.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by account42 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:04AM (#37321479)
As written by the ministry of truth.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by tastyfreeze on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:42AM (#37323865)
Many of those words have different meanings to the in group.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by nec4b on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:49PM (#37326999)
What about this:

  - Universal suffrage
  - Proportional representation
  - Voting for women
  - Minimum wage
  - Eight-hour workday
  ...

Not too terrible right? It's copied straight up from the Fascist Manifesto.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by yrro on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:01PM (#37327230)
How dare the evil WEF curtail my RIGHT as a CAPITALIST to pay my employees as I deem fit?
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by nec4b on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:22PM (#37329325)
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by 4bpp on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:30AM (#37320423)
Monopoly power seems secondary here, with the real problem being that there are sufficiently many people now with a totalitarian impulse to forbid others from engaging in speech they dislike that overrides almost any other principle, and no equally obstinate opposition. I am not engaged in and have no interest in any KF-like activity, but merely wanting to choose an ISP, domain registrar, Mastodon instance or email provider that would not filter them as a matter of principle would expose me to the risk of becoming collateral damage, as the armchair censors pressure the closest amenable nodes to participate in what they see as "cutting out the rot" - excise DNS records, range-ban, defederate from your node and recursively any node that would not participate in defederating you, thus forcing the whole world to pick a side.