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Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by Aurornis on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:06PM (#37310817)
> And how do you really enforce something like that?

Retirement age refers to when you're eligible for government retirement benefits.

The proposal is to let people draw their retirement benefits early, basically.

Practically speaking, drawing 3 months of expenses at age 35 might be equivalent to something like drawing 1 year of expenses at age 65, assuming the money is invested. You'd have to do the math to see the real numbers, but that's essentially what the author is proposing.

Time value of money.

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by qsort on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:36PM (#37311229)
The root cause is that retirement is not something the government should be doing in the first place. It should be your individual responsibility to save, and your individual choice what to do with that money. There exist very safe financial instruments like target-date funds that would be perfectly up to the task, with only a tiny bit of regulation on top.

None of these problems exist in that world.

Naturally, in countries that implement compulsory pension schemes, it's also not something you can easily remove: lots of people depend on government pensions and/or have planned their lives around them, it would be an unmitigated disaster to just say "we aren't doing this any longer".

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by datadrivenangel on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:06PM (#37311614)
Social security was implemented so that old people wouldn't be destitute and literally dying of hunger or lack of care.
Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by shortcake27 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:13PM (#37311707)
Right, so I guess in your eyes the only people who should be allowed to retire are the ones who can afford it? I guess this is along the same lines of the only wealthy people are entitled to education and healthcare.

Anyway, you’re wrong with regards to removing pension schemes. Look at Australia with compulsory superannuation. The government forces people to save up enough money to put them over a threshold where they won’t be entitled to a pension. Thankfully, this is fully paid for by employers. The UK is going the same way but sadly more of a user-pays type scenario. Not difficult at all and only takes about 50 years before the majority of the population is ineligible for whatever pension still exists, but it is still there for people who fall through the cracks. No need to remove the pension at all - just price out the wealthy.

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by qsort on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:34PM (#37311965)
> Right, so I guess in your eyes the only people who should be allowed to retire are the ones who can afford it?

Yes, it's already like this under any system. In what other way can it possibly work?

> I guess this is along the same lines of the only wealthy people are entitled to education and healthcare.

You are making shit up. Education and healthcare have nothing to do with being forced to pay for the pensions of people who retired at 50 because they were friends with politicians. Public education is good. Public healthcare is good. Public pensions are not, as a matter of theory and practice.

> Not difficult at all and only takes about 50 years

Something that takes 50 years to remove sounds like the very definition of something that's difficult to remove.

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by soco on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:49PM (#37311407)
Okay then what happens when those people reach the retirement age and have no retirement benefits left? They either die (not so fast), or become a burden for social services (in countries with those), or get into crime (of some kind). Maybe I am missing something, but I only see drawbacks for society and for the individual.
Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by pcthrowaway on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:02PM (#37311565)
A lot of individuals don't really live long past retirement age. In the U.S., men live to be 73.5 years on average. So extending your retirement age until you're 85 at the proposed 1:4 ratio gives you 5 years of retirement benefits when you're younger, vs an average of 8.5 years when you're older.

I don't see this as a terrible deal.

Of course, you then have to work past the standard retirement age, but I see this as a given for a lot of people anyway (you might even live longer if you get frequent sabbaticals)

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by jandrewrogers on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:10PM (#37311677)
The life expectancy of a US male at age 65 is an additional 17 years, from the government's actuarial tables [0]. Average life expectancies include people that die young, which primarily include risk factors that rarely affect people at retirement age.

[0] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by pcthrowaway on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:20PM (#37311781)
Survivor bias. The average age of death for a 40 year old is 81 years. And 75 years for a 20-year old.

So yes, if you continue surviving your chances of living to your delayed retirement age increase, but I still posit you'll enjoy time off work more when you're younger.

Re:Embracing Sabbaticals, Sunsetting Retirement Age by jimbokun on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:00PM (#37311537)
They have to work an extra year per sabbatical, and the number of sabbaticals is capped to some small number. Say, 3 for example.

In the US you can start drawing retirement benefits at 62 at a lower rate, or at 65 at a higher rate. So this would be similar. Eligible for benefits at 62 with no sabbaticals. Or 65 with 3 sabbaticals.