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Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050 by myrmidon on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @11:35AM (#37309479)
Collapse of what? Civilization?

I don't buy into that at all; massive waves of climate refugees, environmental disasters, loss of coastal urban space, economical crises: sure-- but collapse of civilization?! I simply don't see that happening, to me that appears like completely unfounded pessimism.

But feel free to try and change my view...

Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050 by myshpa on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @12:05PM (#37309937)
> Collapse of what? Civilization?

I was referring to the collapse (significant degradation) of the environmental carrying capacity. In such a scenario, our civilization would implode on its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot

https://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/st-matthew-island/

> But feel free to try and change my view

It's a complex topic ... I only can give you a few links. The system we live in is very complex ... and as in every complex system even a minor error can cripple the system. Just remember how much damage to the economy was caused by just one ship blocking the Suez.

I don't think the system is able to handle large-scale agricultural failures, prolonged droughts or abrupt sea level rises. Everything seems to be changing more rapidly than predicted - from air and sea temperatures to thawing, droughts, biodiversity loss, etc.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/07/climate-...

Climate Collapse Could Happen Fast - As temperature and weather records fall, Earth may be nearing so-called tipping points.

https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/climate-change/cata...

Catastrophic climate 'doom loops' could start in just 15 years, new study warns

https://www.iflscience.com/chances-of-societal-collapse-in-n...

Chances Of Societal Collapse In Next Few Decades Is Sky High, Modelling Suggests

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2108146119

Climate Endgame: Exploring catastrophic climate change scenarios

https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32

The Human Ecology of Overshoot: Why a Major ‘Population Correction’ Is Inevitable

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115

Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01157-x

Earlier collapse of Anthropocene ecosystems driven by multiple faster and noisier drivers

https://apnews.com/article/climate-united-nations-paris-euro...

UN warns Earth ‘firmly on track toward an unlivable world’

https://advisory.kpmg.us/articles/2021/limits-to-growth.html

Limits to Growth

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/09/the-planet-...

The planet heats, the world economy cools – the real global recession is ecological

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01448-4

Humans are driving one million species to extinction

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-7...

Animal populations experience average decline of almost 70% since 1970, report reveals

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2023/08/ecological-cliff-edge/

Ecological cliff edge