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Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by birdyrooster on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:18AM (#37290873)
Because it's a playground for scammers, rotten up to its Andreesen-Horowitz (and others) underwriters
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by TekMol on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:19AM (#37290881)

    Because it's a playground for scammers
So is the internet.

My theory is that HN (like people in general) simply hates change.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by riffraff on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:31AM (#37290960)
In its first ten years, the internet had proven extremely valuable to most people using it.

The same for the web.

There were and are scams, but there was value.

The cryptocurrency space, 15 years in, has failed to do that.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by iepathos on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:42AM (#37291022)
A single bitcoin is currently valued over 25,000 USD and has shown to go up to over 60,000 USD. It has literally made tons of crypto million and billionaires. Ethereum has shown it's able to replace a lot of middleman banking with smart contracts but being turing complete is difficult to make secure. There are many profitable and successfully operating DAOs exclusively managed via smart contracts. Saying cryptocurrency space has failed to provide value is provably false.
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by highwaylights on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:07AM (#37291181)
It’s not provably false at all, and your response proves nothing.

Bitcoin got speculated up to 60k USD, that means literally nothing - I can still buy tulip bulbs and eBay still has beanie babies.

It has made paper millionaires and billionaires with money that doesn’t exist. Warren Buffet could buy my old shoe for $1 billion tomorrow, it doesn’t make it worth that amount. Know what is real? The money people chased it up to that value with, meaning that so far it can only be proven that billions have been lost, but nothing has been gained yet except the money converted back to fiat (or a tangible asset) by those shilling the tokens.

Ethereum has not replaced a lot of middleman banking, as its smart contracts don’t have any legal basis, because it fundamentally isn’t trustworthy (it’s already been hacked to the ground once). It also can’t interact with any component that isn’t ultimately part of a digital contract as it has no way to enforce it. (I.e. want to contract someone to do a job? It offers no value beyond risky off-the-books-but-not-really escrow. Want to bet that Tyson Fury clobbers his opponent in the next fight in the first round? Cool. You may or may not get your money if you win as the fight didn’t happen in the form of a Solidity script, so it ultimately still relies on someone being willing to pay out, except without any regulation).

Not wanting to rant so will stop there, but people on HN will probably stop saying cryptocurrency has failed to provide value when it provides value.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by Zaofy on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:54AM (#37291102)
I'm happy for the couple of people that got tangible financial benefits out of it and that weren't already wealthy beforehand, but this isn't exactly a benefit for society as a whole. All the rest has simply failed to materialise in any meaningful way.
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by zaphirplane on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:58AM (#37291132)
What I don’t get about smart contracts is how the conditions are validated

I have a contract that Brad Pitt wins the Oscar in the next 3 years how is that validated ? Is there some widely accepted source of truth ? Couldn’t the provider be hacked or be tempted to be fraudulent.

I’m assuming the source of truth isn’t the Oscar academy cause web scraping could break easily. Still it’s a lot of faith in human honesty and site security for automatic execution worth millions

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by newswasboring on Monday August 28, 2023 @05:17AM (#37291618)
The keyword you are looking for is Oracle. Oracle blockchains/coins are services which consolidate real world data into the block chain. Of course you then have to trust the oracle chain
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by bantunes on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:59AM (#37291139)
I think cryptobros just have a different perception of what "providing value" is. Bitcoin's fiat value or the fact that it has made millionaires is hardly an indication of it, since the same can be said of cocaine.

Smart contracts keep having bugs. And all I hear from DAOs is that they're cornered by the agents with the most tokens - how is that an innovation over the current state of affairs in society?

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by qwytw on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:10AM (#37291197)
Ponzi provided a lot of value to some of his early investors until the whole thing collapsed (of course all of that happened way faster).

> value is provably false.

None of what you said would suggest anything like. What you're talking about is redistribution. People buying tokens using real money from those who bought them cheaper creating:

> tons of crypto million and billionaires

in the process. Could you explain at what point this actual value is created?

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by apienx on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:34AM (#37291354)
Essentially, money is a network of trust. Bitcoin is a network that enables trustless consensus. It provides tremendous value IMHO (along with opportunities to scam people).

This news is about Binance being increasingly isolated. Mastercard’s deals with others (e.g. Gemini) are going strong.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by birdyrooster on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:22AM (#37290897)
The internet has universal value, it's not at all like crypto in this way.
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by d-lisp on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:43AM (#37291031)
The internet main purpose is sharing content through a network.

Crypto is a currency.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by colesantiago on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:03AM (#37291161)
> Crypto is a currency.

It is laughably not a currency.

Something that has sporadic price fluctuations, is used as a gambling token for speculation, and cannot send value instantly to another person (crypto waiting times are over 9 hours) is not a currency.

Little to nobody in the world uses crypto at all.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by d-lisp on Friday September 08, 2023 @11:10PM (#37441880)
> Crypto is
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by mcpackieh on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:53AM (#37291096)
> simply hates change.

Nonsensical cope. If that were true, HN would not love solar, wind, fission, fusion, room temperature superconductors, etc. HN is hype about potential/new technologies that might make sense and have real applications. Cryptocurrencies aren't that.

Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by throwbadubadu on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:00AM (#37291149)
Change to scam more people more efficiently? (:
Re:Mastercard ends Binance card partnership in latest blow t... by birdyrooster on Monday August 28, 2023 @10:15AM (#37294357)
I love how I get most of my upvotes over night and then the US boomers wake up at 5am and downvote me almost everytime.