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Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by naiv on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:35AM (#37280645)
This is the reality that the left and green parties will never understand.

The tipping point was already NYE 2015/2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_E...)

I am an experienced Muay Thai fighter and don't feel safe anymore. I live in Düsseldorf, used to be the most beautiful city in Germany, and seeing this city decay is so sad.

Western values will be eradicated in a few years. It's pure mathematics if you look at the birth rates. You have to be extremely naive to think different.

We will move out of the country next year and never look back.

I have a lot of Turkish and other first and second generation migrant friends. A majority will vote for AfD.

They have enough.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by crop_rotation on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:45AM (#37280709)
Even if they do understand it, what can they do.

Politics in the modern age requires you to have different views on controversial matters to avoid being commoditised. If 10 parties share the same view on some issue, they will be compared on competence, and no politician wants that. It is much easier to capture a subset of votes by taking a specific position, however good or bad it is, as long as you get a monopoly in that segment.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by naiv on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:01AM (#37280797)
True. But then they should focus on one or the other and don't cause contradictions.

It is hard to understand how you can have 'Refugees welcome' and 'Full support for our LGBTQ' agendas at the same time.

Cologne and Düsseldorf were vibrant cities embracing an openly gay lifestyle. This has become impossible. You barely see rainbow flags and guys walking hand in hand or kissing each other on the streets anymore.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by crop_rotation on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:17AM (#37280874)
Sadly political alliances everywhere are built on such contradictory promises, be it either right or left wing. You have to pickup the remaining voter segment which your competitor has isolated, as long as it is big enough.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:08AM (#37280828)
It’s indeed a sad development and one of the reasons I emigrated to Thailand.

The Netherlands was a lovely place when I was young, in the 80s - 90s, but the country has been going downhill fast in the past few decennia.

I think most people at this time still don’t realize their pensions will be gone, social security will provide less as time goes on and cities will become unsafer. And since people don’t realize this, they keep voting the status quo until it’s too late. I don’t think at this point there’s a way to go back.

My girlfriend asked me to arrange a Dutch passport for our daughter, but I haven’t bothered as of yet. I think Asia has a much brighter future ahead compared to Europe (mainly EU), so I doubt my daughter will need the passport to study abroad. She’ll be able to create a good life for herself here in Thailand or perhaps some other ASEAN country.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by account-5 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:28AM (#37280939)
Completely off topic but: decennia. Never heard of it, had to look it up (though I guessed correctly what it meant), will now be using it! Cheers.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by matsemann on Sunday August 27, 2023 @07:38AM (#37281639)
The irony of you two complaining about "values being eradicated" but yourself moving abroad and probably not assimilating very much.....
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by david38 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:35AM (#37282080)
The irony of you insulting them over something they “probably” did - something you publicly accuse them of, but haven’t such as as asked about.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @09:55AM (#37282756)
> The irony of you two complaining about "values being eradicated" but yourself moving abroad and probably not assimilating very much.....

Those are assumptions, but my answer is the following:

- I make an effort to learn the Thai language. In shops and such I converse in Thai with staff.

- I try to follow cultural norms. For example when visiting government offices, banks and such I wear respectful clothes (long trousers, nice shirt). I greet officials with a high (nose level) wai to show my respect.

- Every now and then (e.g. birthdays) I visit the temple with my girlfriend to receive blessings from a monk - and I am not religious.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by LargoLasskhyfv on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:44PM (#37298683)
Have you taken potential higher risks of climate change into account? I mean more extreme weather events? Which seems to have a higher baseline from where to start, compared to the rather tame shit we're experiencing in europe, at the moment.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @06:02AM (#37305420)
I don’t buy the climate change narrative, so not concerned about it at all.

As one investor stated in the past: if rising sea levels were really a problem, banks would not want to finance oceanfront property or under very strict terms.

YMMV

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by LargoLasskhyfv on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:09PM (#37396318)
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by dontupvoteme on Sunday August 27, 2023 @10:03AM (#37282819)
>I have a lot of Turkish and other first and second generation migrant friends. A majority will vote for AfD.

I bet. Turkish people != Kurdish people != Arab people

A lot of people don't seem to appreciate this.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by tricot on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @04:14AM (#37304757)
I have been living in Germany my whole life and cannot, for the life of me, understand your viewpoint. Never felt unsafe in Germany or had the feeling that our 'western values will be eradicated' (which sounds like right wing fearmongering to me tbh).