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Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mathverse on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:20AM (#37280559)
Go to any bigger Eastern European city and these places are thriving. There's basically no crime, you can get shitfaced beyond recognition and nothing will ever happen to you even if you are a woman.

As a middle class german you must see the decay in german cities with everything becoming too expensive, out of order and decaying in front of your eyes while you are being told you live in one of the richest places on Earth.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by naiv on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:35AM (#37280645)
This is the reality that the left and green parties will never understand.

The tipping point was already NYE 2015/2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_E...)

I am an experienced Muay Thai fighter and don't feel safe anymore. I live in Düsseldorf, used to be the most beautiful city in Germany, and seeing this city decay is so sad.

Western values will be eradicated in a few years. It's pure mathematics if you look at the birth rates. You have to be extremely naive to think different.

We will move out of the country next year and never look back.

I have a lot of Turkish and other first and second generation migrant friends. A majority will vote for AfD.

They have enough.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by crop_rotation on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:45AM (#37280709)
Even if they do understand it, what can they do.

Politics in the modern age requires you to have different views on controversial matters to avoid being commoditised. If 10 parties share the same view on some issue, they will be compared on competence, and no politician wants that. It is much easier to capture a subset of votes by taking a specific position, however good or bad it is, as long as you get a monopoly in that segment.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by naiv on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:01AM (#37280797)
True. But then they should focus on one or the other and don't cause contradictions.

It is hard to understand how you can have 'Refugees welcome' and 'Full support for our LGBTQ' agendas at the same time.

Cologne and Düsseldorf were vibrant cities embracing an openly gay lifestyle. This has become impossible. You barely see rainbow flags and guys walking hand in hand or kissing each other on the streets anymore.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by crop_rotation on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:17AM (#37280874)
Sadly political alliances everywhere are built on such contradictory promises, be it either right or left wing. You have to pickup the remaining voter segment which your competitor has isolated, as long as it is big enough.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:08AM (#37280828)
It’s indeed a sad development and one of the reasons I emigrated to Thailand.

The Netherlands was a lovely place when I was young, in the 80s - 90s, but the country has been going downhill fast in the past few decennia.

I think most people at this time still don’t realize their pensions will be gone, social security will provide less as time goes on and cities will become unsafer. And since people don’t realize this, they keep voting the status quo until it’s too late. I don’t think at this point there’s a way to go back.

My girlfriend asked me to arrange a Dutch passport for our daughter, but I haven’t bothered as of yet. I think Asia has a much brighter future ahead compared to Europe (mainly EU), so I doubt my daughter will need the passport to study abroad. She’ll be able to create a good life for herself here in Thailand or perhaps some other ASEAN country.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by account-5 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:28AM (#37280939)
Completely off topic but: decennia. Never heard of it, had to look it up (though I guessed correctly what it meant), will now be using it! Cheers.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by matsemann on Sunday August 27, 2023 @07:38AM (#37281639)
The irony of you two complaining about "values being eradicated" but yourself moving abroad and probably not assimilating very much.....
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by david38 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:35AM (#37282080)
The irony of you insulting them over something they “probably” did - something you publicly accuse them of, but haven’t such as as asked about.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @09:55AM (#37282756)
> The irony of you two complaining about "values being eradicated" but yourself moving abroad and probably not assimilating very much.....

Those are assumptions, but my answer is the following:

- I make an effort to learn the Thai language. In shops and such I converse in Thai with staff.

- I try to follow cultural norms. For example when visiting government offices, banks and such I wear respectful clothes (long trousers, nice shirt). I greet officials with a high (nose level) wai to show my respect.

- Every now and then (e.g. birthdays) I visit the temple with my girlfriend to receive blessings from a monk - and I am not religious.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by LargoLasskhyfv on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:44PM (#37298683)
Have you taken potential higher risks of climate change into account? I mean more extreme weather events? Which seems to have a higher baseline from where to start, compared to the rather tame shit we're experiencing in europe, at the moment.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by wsc981 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @06:02AM (#37305420)
I don’t buy the climate change narrative, so not concerned about it at all.

As one investor stated in the past: if rising sea levels were really a problem, banks would not want to finance oceanfront property or under very strict terms.

YMMV

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by LargoLasskhyfv on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:09PM (#37396318)
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by dontupvoteme on Sunday August 27, 2023 @10:03AM (#37282819)
>I have a lot of Turkish and other first and second generation migrant friends. A majority will vote for AfD.

I bet. Turkish people != Kurdish people != Arab people

A lot of people don't seem to appreciate this.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by tricot on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @04:14AM (#37304757)
I have been living in Germany my whole life and cannot, for the life of me, understand your viewpoint. Never felt unsafe in Germany or had the feeling that our 'western values will be eradicated' (which sounds like right wing fearmongering to me tbh).
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by DoingIsLearning on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:42AM (#37280682)
> Go to any bigger Eastern European city and these places are thriving. There's basically no crime [...]

I am not saying you don't have a problem in Germany but this is just a wild statement about a huge land mass.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mathverse on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:49AM (#37280732)
It's not a wild statement for crime rates or that the cities are thriving. Even the statistics show this.

Yes there's petty crime but not random, violent crime where you run into gangs of people trying to mug you.

If you are not a european you will not understand the disparity in wealth. Most traditional businesses all around Europe are owned by old Western-European businesses.

Banks, insurance companies, construction companies, supermarkets, energy companies all around Europe are in the hands of few major corporations. It's generational wealth and it's impossible for Eastern Europe to compete with that.

How many UIPaths Romania needs before it can catch up with Austria? Way too many.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by Moldoteck on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:29AM (#37280613)
Lol, you've never visited Romania it seems)
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by RivieraKid on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:39AM (#37280672)
I recently compared countries by their growth in GNI (PPP) per capita between 2000 and 2022. China was 1st, Romania 2nd.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by Moldoteck on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @03:32PM (#37312729)
The problem is it's not reflected in day to day life. In most part bc of the corruption. Cities are designed poorly, quality of services is poor(education, medicine) compared to other eu members, there's a big car dependency problem... I can't wait to emigrate (
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by RivieraKid on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:21PM (#37340633)
Sad and kind of surprising given that Romania's economy looks good on paper. Maybe the per capita GNP is increasing because people are emigrating, therefore capital per capita is increasing.

I consider corruption and quality of services "easy" problems if your economy is growing and your democracy is improving, you just need time. The richer you are, the less likely are you to accept bribes.

City design can be a harder problem depending on the specifics but ultimately still solvable with time.

Population decline due to emigration seems like the biggest problem but maybe it will naturally self-correct, I don't have a clear opinion on this. I live in the Czech Republic and I have to say we're lucky we evaded the emigration curse that's affecting most ex-Eastern Bloc countries.

Emigrate where?

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mathverse on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:31AM (#37280630)
Idk what you are talking about but Iasi,Cluj,Bucharest are thriving despite Romania being one of the poorest members of the EU.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by Moldoteck on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @03:29PM (#37312682)
Yeaaaah, totally, thriving... Like today and yesterday half of the cluj smelled like sh* bc they stole eu money for development of trash recycling and processing bc there's a trash landfill nearby the city, or when public central park is fully blocked for several days yearly due to a private event. Or Bucharest, most congested capital/city in Eu, with annual problems of hot water supply and annual problems related to trash burning by roma ppl Or iasi where organised crime by (some) roma ppl is pretty harsh. Also I can't imagine how safely a girl can feel walking alone in the night in any of these cities (maybe except cluj, but even here there are a lot of dangerous regions). I would hardly call these cities thriving, compared to say Vienna, Budapest, Munich, Frankfurt, Zurich, Paris, Barcelona, Lisbon, etc...

I even remember a recent news that a drugged guy that was 'checked by police' several times, they found drugs but didn't want to test him for drugs, killed a bunch of ppl with his car. Or the case where a lot of ppl burned alive in a club bc of the way it was designed and till today nobody's imprisoned, or when a bridge collapsed right before a school bus(bc they've stolen the money), there wasn't tragedy, but it could have been, and still, nobody in prison. Totally thriving county!

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by dontupvoteme on Sunday August 27, 2023 @09:54AM (#37282742)
Even Eastern Germany seemed like a different world than the West. The wall isn't just in people's heads.